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Happened to be in Chicago for a business trip with a couple of others from work with a little extra time so thought I would stop in at a couple of stores and see what they have on display. I was not really looking for anything at all just thought it would be good to converse with people that are in the business, listen to a few tracks on a totally different system then mine and maybe even learn a few things. Originally had three stores in mind but one is not open every day so moved on to visiting two. I've seen both at Axpona a few times now. Chicago is a big city would expect bigger assortment of products, nice sound rooms etc. Well what I saw and experienced was not at all what I was expecting.

First up was Quintessence Audio: Walked in told the only person in the room where we were from etc. and just wanted to start a conversation. The store is single story building with one main room and three sound rooms but the whole building was actually smaller then we had expected. The sales guy did not even get up, never said welcome and seemed actually disinterested. Also never asked what we maybe interested in, our systems etc. Maybe since we are from WI he had and issue who knows. Frankly not all that fond of Chicago either but hey it is what it is. So looked around they had three listening rooms one being updated and then two others with equipment. One was the higher end of the two is the one that we concentrated on. In the room were AR mono amps(these had tubes), AR preamp, dCS DAC two piece, Nordost Odin 2 cables mostly with a few Valhalla 2 mixed in and mid line Wilson speakers. So a pretty high end set up. Also the room was nicely treated and of OK size. So asked if he could play a track from Tidal and he could so he played a track I requested and very familiar with. So as you might expect I was expecting to be pretty impressed. Well unfortunately we were not at all. The mid and highs were not bad but there was a lack of bass that I know this track had in it. Very little impact and lacked the "there" feeling. Also not impressed with the imaging either. So I asked him about the lack of bass along with were these full range speakers and he immediately got defensive commenting that these speakers are real neutral (as if that somehow makes up for it) and yes full range. After that we could see what little interest he may of had previously was now completely gone. So moved on.

Next up Audio Video Interiors: Much nicer set up with more rooms but not as good as we were expecting either. Were greeted at the door and they at least showed some interest. Tons of ML: 11, 13, 15 and Neolith. Lots of McIntosh, Anthem, Paradigm etc. Reviewed all the rooms which were all pretty small but all treated nicely. So settled in on the Neolith room with 611 mono amps and D1100 preamp/Dac. They played the same track and WOW what a difference. Tons more bass and the feeling that you were there. Would of been a lot better but the room was way to small for this set up and they admitted that before I even commented. Also they had a selection of Seura TV's in a mirror that was interesting. Never got into a great conversation tried but mostly answered questions but did not offer anything much beyond. Asked about the demise of the 210 and 212 but they said interestingly enough they don't sell them yet they had tons of ML. Go figure. They offered no explanation. So a better experience and a store with more variety but also seemed like they were just going through the paces and were not sad to see us exit. Guess I can't blame them we had no interested in purchasing anything just looking for conversation in the industry which we did little.

This is such a small audio community but egos run high and apparently if you are from WI we are not all that welcome either. I had a similar experience in Japan with salespeople that just seem to be at work but busy doing really nothing. Apparently unless you wave a big check as you enter they just pretty much ignore you as they go back to doing nothing. Just thankful for running into Shawn at Da Vinci Media in little old Milwaukee.
 
Thanks for sharing the tale, it is sad that staff at these stores seem so disinterested, even when they obviously have the time.

I recall how helpful, friendly and accommodating Pete (the owner IIRC) from Audio Atlanta was back in '93. I heard a pair of Monoliths at his store, first sight unseen from another room, where I had been auditioning some box speakers. I heard a grand piano playing the room down the hall, literally sounded like the real thing, when I walked into the room and saw those six foot tall by two foot wide Monoliths, and heard the magic of an ESL, I fell in love.

Pete explained the ML lineup, and suggested I audition the Sequel II as a product that would suit my non-dedicated listening space I had at the time.
He did not have a pair at the time, but ordered a set and then called me when they arrived to audition them. I did, and long-story-short, I purchased them and took them home, and still have them (as rears now). Pete's approach, and great info, and level of service meant I was happy to pay list price for the Sequels. I knew that's what it takes for someone like him to run his business.

These days, buying audio gear is so different. I frankly haven't set foot in a boutique audio store in over a decade, maybe two. Magnolias at HiFi Buys don't count.
I do all my research online, and 'industry chat' is my peeps here on various forums, and when I can at audio shows.
With vendors like Sander Sound Systems offering to ship you their amps with 30-day money back guarantees and free shipping, no need to even go to a store to audition. Check it out in your own system. BTW- I don't think he's ever had to return the money, those amps are perfect for MLs.
 
Thanks for sharing the tale, it is sad that staff at these stores seem so disinterested, even when they obviously have the time.

I recall how helpful, friendly and accommodating Pete (the owner IIRC) from Audio Atlanta was back in '93. I heard a pair of Monoliths at his store, first sight unseen from another room, where I had been auditioning some box speakers. I heard a grand piano playing the room down the hall, literally sounded like the real thing, when I walked into the room and saw those six foot tall by two foot wide Monoliths, and heard the magic of an ESL, I fell in love.

Pete explained the ML lineup, and suggested I audition the Sequel II as a product that would suit my non-dedicated listening space I had at the time.
He did not have a pair at the time, but ordered a set and then called me when they arrived to audition them. I did, and long-story-short, I purchased them and took them home, and still have them (as rears now). Pete's approach, and great info, and level of service meant I was happy to pay list price for the Sequels. I knew that's what it takes for someone like him to run his business.

These days, buying audio gear is so different. I frankly haven't set foot in a boutique audio store in over a decade, maybe two. Magnolias at HiFi Buys don't count.
I do all my research online, and 'industry chat' is my peeps here on various forums, and when I can at audio shows.
With vendors like Sander Sound Systems offering to ship you their amps with 30-day money back guarantees and free shipping, no need to even go to a store to audition. Check it out in your own system. BTW- I don't think he's ever had to return the money, those amps are perfect for MLs.

Thanks for sharing your story of what service really is. I live in a small town surrounded by really not many options to see/hear audio close by either in a store or at someone's house. I guess I thought that in a bigger city things would be different in that there would be a lot to see and discuss. As I found out I was sadly mistaken. So now I don't feel like I have missed anything because I have not. However it would of been nice if there was a lot to see and discuss.
 
+1 on Shawn at DaVinci Media in Milwaukee. Great to deal with and very knowledgeable, friendly and fun. Like all of us from Wisconsin. :music:
 
+1 on Shawn at DaVinci Media in Milwaukee. Great to deal with and very knowledgeable, friendly and fun. Like all of us from Wisconsin. :music:

X2, that's where I purchased my Spire's from.
 
X2, that's where I purchased my Spire's from.

X3... I live in Monroe, LA and purchased my CLX Art and dual 212's from Shawn -DaVinci Media. I flew up in the fall of 2017 and never looked back. Wonderful experience....

Sorry about your visit Mike. Yeah sometimes I have received that from places. Not only are they disinterested but almost as if they judge you and make assumptions. I'm in sales and thats the unforgivable sin!

Always should take the time to be considerate and accommodating.
 
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