All I was asking for was a little FRIENDLY advice about possible setup problems, and you guys act like I was asking for rights to sell your children. With the exception of MiTT no one really wanted to offer any help, but everybody else wanted trash every part of my setup EXCEPT for the speakers.
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You came on here with very little information and asked for advice and several members gave you some very good advice. In a nutshell, they told you to consider that your previous components may not synergize well with the Logans and you should consider demoing some other components to see if that is the issue. They also asked you specifically for more information on how you have them set up and what you were hearing that was a problem, and you still have not provided any specifics on that or any description of how you set them up.
ML's are known to be very particular about setup and also very revealing of flaws in upstream components. Thus, these are the first things we look at when evaluating a problem. Instead of thanking us for our advice and giving more details and asking more detailed questions so we can further help you isolate the issue, you get all huffy and defensive that we have not greeted you with open arms and lavished you with praise for your choice of MLs. What, exactly, were you expecting? You asked for advice, and you are getting it. You don't like the advice, so you talk about tigers eating their young and Tom Tancredo???? Just a tad bit melodramatic, don't you think? Shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. Is that it? You give us minimal information about your setup and your problems, and you get minimal help diagnosing the problem. That is the bottom line.
Ultimately, you bought a set of speakers that have received accolades by thousands of devoted users. People all across the world, reviewers, professionals in the field of audio manufacturing, and so on, all adore and swear by these speakers and marvel at how much better they are than traditional cone and even ribbon speakers. You buy a pair and can't get them to sound good to your ears (what the problem with their sound is, we still don't know because you haven't told us). But they don't sound good to you, which leaves one of several possibilities:
1. They are damaged and need repair, cleaning, or panel replacement;
2. You are not setting them up properly or have a poor room for them;
3. They are revealing limitations in your current upstream equipment; or
4. You just don't like the sound of electrostatic speakers.
Without more information about the problems you are actually experiencing and the details of your room and how you have them set up, it is impossible for us to diagnose any of these potential causes. All were alluded to in the various responses that you got. If you want information about these possible issues, there is plenty to be had using the search function of this site. If you want direct help from members of this forum who have decades of knowledge setting up audio systems of all kinds, then you need to take a big dose of humility and provide us with a little more information to work with.
Remember, you came here with hat in hand asking for advice. You gave very little background information by which we could ascertain your issue and give you some knowledgeable advice. The members here did their best to point you in the right direction given the limited information you provided. And then you come back with a melodramatic, whine about how unwelcome you feel. WTF???
It isn't fun to hear that your new speakers may not work well with your existing equipment, but it is a real possibility. If you have any clue at all about audio setup, you understand the meaning of the term system synergy. We have almost 300 Martin Logan User systems posted on this site, and to my knowledge not one of them is using the amp or preamp you are using in your system. That alone should give you a big clue. If you look at the systems posted here, you will see the same names popping up: BAT, Cary, Conrad Johnson, Audio Research, Pass Labs, Krell, Rogue, Sunfire, Sanders Sound Systems, and a few others. This is not by accident. Martin Logan speakers have specific needs and there are certain types of equipment that they sound great with and other types that make them sound like crap.
We are more than willing to help you out, but remember that you are new and have established no credibility on this forum. You are asking for advice while giving little to no information by which to give proper advice. And then you are whining that everyone is trashing your system components. Sorry, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for that kind of attitude. Give us some information about how you have the speakers set up and what differences you are hearing from your former setup, and we might be able to do a better job of diagnosing your problem. But you also need to suck it up and accept that your old equipment just might not be the best equipment to drive your new speakers. Is it that difficult to audition another amp just to see if that might be your problem?
