Hi All,
I am new member to this forum, i have a pair of ML for 2 years now, my current System is :-
SPEAKERS
2 x Martin Logan Model vista ESL Series 20-400watts per channel
3 x Martin Logan’s Model Motif 20-300 watts per channel (1 center + 2 side)
2 x Martin Logan sub-woofer Model Abyss 300 watts
PROCESSOR
ONKYO PRSC-5508 (was using ARCAM AVR 350 and just upgraded)
AMP
Lexicon RX 7
I was using for past 2 years above with ARCAM receiver AVR 350 and recently decided to upgrade to PRE AMP from Onkyo PRSC-5508 and AMP of Lexicon RX 7, and within 2 hrs. of upgrade I blew the VISTA drivers.
As i received the preamp before the Lexicon dealer gave me GX7 (floor demo) till my RX 7 was received, so i connected and within few hrs. blew the drivers of vista.
I think one of the vista driver was already slightly damaged and once i connected the Lexicon GX7 and cranked up the volume the old damage was evident and got enhanced and eventually became unlistenable, the 2nd vista driver also started to make funny sound , i sent it in to the dealer who recommended change both drivers.
Now my question :
1) As GX7 is rated 125watts and vista 400watts even at max volume with GX7 how can i blow the vista drivers ? is this normal ? or did i abuse /shock speakers by cranking them with max volume with GX 7 ?
2) Are the vista drivers under warranty should the dealer replace them free or charge me, (Local ML and Lexicon delaer is same) but he says any speaker can be blown with any amp as that depends on volume level and type of music, so the dealer quoted me US$ 1000/ to replace both drivers.
3) Once the new drivers are installed in Vista do i have to run them in to break them, i have read in several forums contradictory opinions for running in speakers as some are opinon that these high end speakers dont need running in (speakes not like a car engine, speakers made to high specs and dont change sound)
but ML dealer suggest min. 7 days running in, if i should run them in then what music should i run them in with ?
4) The most important questions, as now i have upgraded to
Lexicon RX 7 200 watts per channel with
Onkyo PRSC 5508 and
vista 400 watts,
Should i be upgrading the speakers also to summit X?
I ask you guys your opinion as the local dealer cannot demo the summit x and he says buy them on their reputation and reviews and bcs i have enjoyed vista for past 2 years t.f i love electrostat!!! :-(
The ML dealer suggested upgrade front speakers to Summit X in place of Vista and use vista as side speakers (make my setup from 5.2 to 7.2).
As i cannot demo summit x my question will summit x make a big difference in sound? will lexicon RX 7 have enough power to have a noticeable difference between Vista and Summit X and are vista ideal speakers for side ? or i will use VISTA better in another room.
5) And last question i was out auditioning speakers and came across B&W 800 diamond, quite liked the sound, and as i cannot compare sound with Summit X as can’t get a demo of summit x now i am leaning to go for B&W 800 as at least i can hear them and "hearing is believing" and B&W dealer is even willing to give demo at my house and says B&W 800 will make a big difference in my current setup over vista and if i also upgarde my onkyo pre amp to rotel the sound qulaity will improve 10 times.
So my question what do you guys think should i be ordering summit x without demo or buy B&W 800 which i have heard and are B&W 800 comparable to Summit x and if so which are better in reviews and in your opinon? or what are pro and cons ( i loved vista as the sound was amazing with all music).
And should i be already thinking of upgarding Pre amp from onkyo to Rotel,
i bought onkyon for 1 or 2 years till Lexicon or some other good brand came up with similar spec amp (with upscaling, 2 hdmi out etc) so i was always prepared to upgade but should i be upgarding so soon 2 months will rotel make a big diffrence?
I usually listen on my system all types of music from 80's pop, rock, and crank it once every month for partying with friends with club mixes and house, and use the system as surround for movies with arge screen.
Would really apprecaite your replies and opinons so i can learn from your experience as i am fairly new at this, and am really confused, i wanted to upgarde the sound but now seems i am changing my system and not just upgarding.....and get different sales pitch from dealers here......thanks boys....
I am new member to this forum, i have a pair of ML for 2 years now, my current System is :-
SPEAKERS
2 x Martin Logan Model vista ESL Series 20-400watts per channel
3 x Martin Logan’s Model Motif 20-300 watts per channel (1 center + 2 side)
2 x Martin Logan sub-woofer Model Abyss 300 watts
PROCESSOR
ONKYO PRSC-5508 (was using ARCAM AVR 350 and just upgraded)
AMP
Lexicon RX 7
I was using for past 2 years above with ARCAM receiver AVR 350 and recently decided to upgrade to PRE AMP from Onkyo PRSC-5508 and AMP of Lexicon RX 7, and within 2 hrs. of upgrade I blew the VISTA drivers.
As i received the preamp before the Lexicon dealer gave me GX7 (floor demo) till my RX 7 was received, so i connected and within few hrs. blew the drivers of vista.
I think one of the vista driver was already slightly damaged and once i connected the Lexicon GX7 and cranked up the volume the old damage was evident and got enhanced and eventually became unlistenable, the 2nd vista driver also started to make funny sound , i sent it in to the dealer who recommended change both drivers.
Now my question :
1) As GX7 is rated 125watts and vista 400watts even at max volume with GX7 how can i blow the vista drivers ? is this normal ? or did i abuse /shock speakers by cranking them with max volume with GX 7 ?
2) Are the vista drivers under warranty should the dealer replace them free or charge me, (Local ML and Lexicon delaer is same) but he says any speaker can be blown with any amp as that depends on volume level and type of music, so the dealer quoted me US$ 1000/ to replace both drivers.
3) Once the new drivers are installed in Vista do i have to run them in to break them, i have read in several forums contradictory opinions for running in speakers as some are opinon that these high end speakers dont need running in (speakes not like a car engine, speakers made to high specs and dont change sound)
but ML dealer suggest min. 7 days running in, if i should run them in then what music should i run them in with ?
4) The most important questions, as now i have upgraded to
Lexicon RX 7 200 watts per channel with
Onkyo PRSC 5508 and
vista 400 watts,
Should i be upgrading the speakers also to summit X?
I ask you guys your opinion as the local dealer cannot demo the summit x and he says buy them on their reputation and reviews and bcs i have enjoyed vista for past 2 years t.f i love electrostat!!! :-(
The ML dealer suggested upgrade front speakers to Summit X in place of Vista and use vista as side speakers (make my setup from 5.2 to 7.2).
As i cannot demo summit x my question will summit x make a big difference in sound? will lexicon RX 7 have enough power to have a noticeable difference between Vista and Summit X and are vista ideal speakers for side ? or i will use VISTA better in another room.
5) And last question i was out auditioning speakers and came across B&W 800 diamond, quite liked the sound, and as i cannot compare sound with Summit X as can’t get a demo of summit x now i am leaning to go for B&W 800 as at least i can hear them and "hearing is believing" and B&W dealer is even willing to give demo at my house and says B&W 800 will make a big difference in my current setup over vista and if i also upgarde my onkyo pre amp to rotel the sound qulaity will improve 10 times.
So my question what do you guys think should i be ordering summit x without demo or buy B&W 800 which i have heard and are B&W 800 comparable to Summit x and if so which are better in reviews and in your opinon? or what are pro and cons ( i loved vista as the sound was amazing with all music).
And should i be already thinking of upgarding Pre amp from onkyo to Rotel,
i bought onkyon for 1 or 2 years till Lexicon or some other good brand came up with similar spec amp (with upscaling, 2 hdmi out etc) so i was always prepared to upgade but should i be upgarding so soon 2 months will rotel make a big diffrence?
I usually listen on my system all types of music from 80's pop, rock, and crank it once every month for partying with friends with club mixes and house, and use the system as surround for movies with arge screen.
Would really apprecaite your replies and opinons so i can learn from your experience as i am fairly new at this, and am really confused, i wanted to upgarde the sound but now seems i am changing my system and not just upgarding.....and get different sales pitch from dealers here......thanks boys....
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