Blu-ray’s Fuzzy Future

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I can DL HD movies directly to my PS3 for $5.99 ea (rental). I down loaded one and it looked very good and sounded good too. The files are huge!! 16 to 20 Gigs a movie. Direct TV offers VOD in HD at 1080P. I have not looked into this yet so I’m not sure how good it looks. I love Blu-ray the picture and sound is awesome and it is not eating up 15 gigs of HD space per movie.
 
My (and I suppose many) Bluray has Netflix access built right in. With future firmware, it will probably be streaming HD movies, but the quality right now is not up to snuff for me. I can watch about 8 to 10 blurays a month for less then the price of buying one at the store, I think it is the way to go.
 
Do you guys not get charged for "excess use" - we've been charged for it as long as I can remember. Every account from just about every company has a "usage allowance" on it.

No, I've used enormous BW and have never had a charge. OTOH I have a "premium" package with cable, phone and internet.
 
You guys down under are getting ripped man! That sucks! Maybe your base service is cheaper though. I pay $46/month with Time Warner Cable for my pretty snappy cable modem and unlimited use... I would not even think about downloading an HD movie with anything less than a T1 line though! CRAZY long downloads...like HOURS and hours (probably more like DAYS) at true 1080p 7.1HD sound...
 
blue ray disc is da bomb! I have a ps3 and a bds350 both are greeeat I want to be able to bring a couple of disc over to a friends house and not hassle with downloads or IP problems of registered software and what not. besides the price will soon come way down and a blue ray pic/sound smokes anything comcast or other cable companies have nomatter what they advertise.
sinse the inception of the vinyl disc people want the media in there hands.
 
You guys down under are getting ripped man! That sucks! Maybe your base service is cheaper though. I pay $46/month with Time Warner Cable for my pretty snappy cable modem and unlimited use... I would not even think about downloading an HD movie with anything less than a T1 line though! CRAZY long downloads...like HOURS and hours (probably more like DAYS) at true 1080p 7.1HD sound...

Comparitively, yes, we're getting ripped alright! Thing is though, prices are only going one way and that's down. Speed is only going one way and that is up! When I first downloaded an MP3 file it took about 30 minutes to download - now one would take about 20 seconds. Same goes for full HD movies - they take ages now, but in a few years you'll be able to click and chew them up like MP3s - that's almost guaranteed!

What future will BluRay have then? In my opinion, the only other thing holding it back is is a easy to use and ubiquitous media-less player, just like the music world has the with iPod.

I respectfully disagree with FishMan - other than a select few, people don't want physical media. They want the content - and they want it with convenience and ease. This can already be seen by lower and lower sales of CD media. I'm not into movies, but - like music - why do you want to be limited by what a shop stocks when you can simply search and get. I'm sure movies are much like music in availability too - can you really just go out and find what you're looking for (if it's not the latest Hollywood blockbuster)? If your taste in movies extends beyond box-office hits, can you find what you're after? Bring on downloading I say.

In some ways, it's a shame, but the benefits sure outweigh the disadvantages.
 
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Why would you bother downloading the "extras"? I've never been able to understand this - "deleted scenes" are deleted for a reason - they're crap! Why do you want to sit through this?

It's simple really, sometimes the extras include documentaries about the subject matter, so you can actually learn something, like the Terra Cotta Warriors doc that was on the Mummy 3 Tomb of the Dragon Emporer. The extras were actually better than the film. Or if you saw Rush Hour 3, the outakes were hilarious, definitely as funny or more so than the real movie. Sometimes the outtakes are worth their wait in gold. Some people are really in to the actual making of the movie and having the director's cut or the director's commentary is actually a very good way to get this perspective. To dismiss all extras as crap is a little to simplistic. My original point was that until ALL the content that is available via Blu-Ray now is packaged up and downloadable in 5 or 10 minutes maximum and then is storable and can be stored indefinitely, easily made portable and played easily many times, without extra charges, well Blu-Ray will be around a while, and that Rob in his haste to predict the future needs some Viagra so that he doesn't spout off too quickly about the "dead on arrival" of Blu-Ray. That isn't to say that some day down the road the above mentioned problems might be overcome but is it today?....No, is it tomorrow or next month?....No, is it next year or the year after, it don't look like it, is it by 2012.....it doesn't matter because as evrybody knows the world ends in 2012.:)
 
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downloadable in 5 or 10 minutes maximum

Rather, I think it just had to be more convienent than jumping in the car, driving to the shops, finding a park, finding the DVD store, finding what you want, making the purchase and then doing all that in reverse.

Let's say downloadable in less than an hour. ~5 years? Maybe.

the "dead on arrival" of Blu-Ray.

I never said dead on arrival, although I know many people do think this. Perhaps they refer not so much to downloading, but draw parallels with SACD/DVD-A.

The thing is, DVD was a giant leap forward - in terms of quality yes, but more importantly - in terms giving people something "extra" - the "cool" factor. People got things like cool little shiny silver discs, instant chapter access, the "digital" monkier (which must!! be better) and smaller storage space requirements.

What does BluRay do? It's still the same sort of black box, playing the same silver discs - it's just that it has a BluRay logo on the front and picture quality that most plebs (on most TV sets) can't tell the difference with. Nobody notices or cares - unless you're one of us!
 
Rather, I think it just had to be more convienent than jumping in the car, driving to the shops, finding a park, finding the DVD store, finding what you want, making the purchase and then doing all that in reverse.

Instant gratification notwithstanding, it already is more convenient than that. Just go to Amazon.com (or your favourite online BD retailer) and order your desired movies. A few mouse clicks and a week or two later, hey presto!, they're in your mailbox.
 
Five quid a month for unlimited! I pay $40 for 10GB limit! And it's not even very fast (3 meg).

Actually, only because we subscribe to Sky HD. It's a package deal, and where I live, we only get 2MB from DSL. Copper wires. I dunno. We're too far from the exchange. No dodgy clauses in the contract that I saw.

Blu is better than satellite HD but if you asked me to reliably identify which was which given a film playing at normal speed, I couldn't do it on my 46 inch Sony X series at normal viewing distances. Up close - definately. Freeze frame there'a a huge difference.
 
Blu-Ray discs are a little pricey at around $35 each but can be rented near the cost of a DVD.

$35!!!!

Your buying from the wrong places.

I have over 178 Blu's and most of them I have purchased for less then $20.00.

If you shop around you can find a movie on Blu for less then BestBuy has it on DVD.

Wal-Mart currently has some titles at $14.99 like Shrek the third, Madagascar, Daredevil, + more. They have some titles at $10.00 like Star Gate, Reservoir Dogs, Punisher, and a few more I don't recall.

Watch Amazon.com for deals that pop up here and there like 50% off movies, and Buy 2 get one. Amazon currently has a B2get1 going on right now.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.ht..._rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=466957071&pf_rd_i=193640011

www.tower.com is another site with a lot of under $20 Blu's, a lot of titles in the $13.00 range.
 
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I guess it really is a combination of things but as Home Theater experience grows it continues to drive ever higher data rates. Some of us are at 1080P 8 bit but others are moving to 1080P 12bit and 1440P 12bit, 2100P and higher are available for specialized applications like medical imaging, so it is only a matter of time before 1440P comes to the home theater near you. 3D High Def is another coming technology and Blu-Ray is just a storage media that has the capacity to carry all of that and more. Unfortunately by the time download technology catches up to 1080P at 8bit, the target will have moved again and the target will always move up stream. Some day Blu-Ray will be supplanted by Pink-Ray or Purple-Ray "but you don't has to call me Johnson", for those that remeber that routine. In other words you don't have to be able to predict the future of Blu-Ray to predict the future of Blu-Ray, some form of nano or bubble or crystaline technology will replace it. And in the mean time I am waiting to see my Internet connection download a trilobyte or terrabyte or whatever I am hungry for at the moment and do it in a second or less. Unfortunately, it ain't happen before 2012:D
 
I guess it really is a combination of things but as Home Theater experience grows it continues to drive ever higher data rates. Some of us are at 1080P 8 bit but others are moving to 1080P 12bit and 1440P 12bit, 2100P and higher are available for specialized applications like medical imaging, so it is only a matter of time before 1440P comes to the home theater near you. 3D High Def is another coming technology and Blu-Ray is just a storage media that has the capacity to carry all of that and more. Unfortunately by the time download technology catches up to 1080P at 8bit, the target will have moved again and the target will always move up stream. Some day Blu-Ray will be supplanted by Pink-Ray or Purple-Ray "but you don't has to call me Johnson", for those that remeber that routine. In other words you don't have to be able to predict the future of Blu-Ray to predict the future of Blu-Ray, some form of nano or bubble or crystaline

technology will replace it. And in the mean time I am waiting to see my Internet connection download a trilobyte or terrabyte or whatever I am hungry for at the moment and do it in a second or less. Unfortunately, it ain't happen before 2012:D

The successor to "high definition" is being called "Ultra High Definition" (UHDV).
It is a 4K resolution 7680 X 4320 with a 60hz refresh rate. UHDV has 32 million pixels compared to HD's current 2 million pixels.

2K Displays are also in the works with a 4096 X 2048 resolution (8.3 mega pixels.

Working prototypes of 2K & 4k displays and projectors have been shown for awhile now, a few are being displayed at CES'09 right now. Except them to come to market in the next year or two.





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HDMI just announced it's new spec with support for 2K & 4K resolutions.

Blu-Ray could support 2K & 4K resolutions if the Blu-Ray association gets the BD 100GB & 200GB disks out of the lab and in to production, ad's the new HDMI spec to the Blu-Ray spec, and up's the processing power to handle the higher resolutions. So theoretically Blu-Ray could be overhauled to handle 2K & 4K.
 
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BDA: Blu-ray's Future is Bright

Looks like Blu-Ray is far from done. :D



From Video Business news an excellent synopsis of the BDA's conference:

BDA: Blu-ray's future is bright

JAN. 8 | LAS VEGAS—The 2009 outlook for Blu-ray is bright, as the format well exceeds DVD performance at similar points in their lifetimes and has impressively accomplished that feat in a rough retail climate, according to participants at Wednesday’s Blu-ray Disc Assn. press conference during the Consumer Electronics Show here.

In three years time, U.S. Blu-ray hardware penetration is nearing 8%. That compares to slightly more than 4% penetration for DVD in the same period after its bow in 1997. Blu-ray adoption also trounces other entertainment formats, with TV and CD reaching 3% and 2% penetration, respectively, in the first three years of their existence.

Since Blu-ray’s June 2006 format launch, 10.7 million Blu-ray set-tops and PlayStation 3s have shipped. In year three for DVD, 5.4 million units had shipped.

Several of the research analyst participants admitted they have revised their hardware projections upward in light of Blu-ray’s pace. Analysts believe that the emerging $200 to $300 pricing for many Blu-ray players made them the perfect family gift this year. With so many new models announced for this year at CES, that pace is unlikely to let up in 2009.

“With the economy, I was at first conservative with Blu-ray’s prospects,” DisplaySearch analyst Paul Erickson said. “But I’ve changed my perspective. In 2009, we’re getting new models with more functionality and affordability. The demand for Blu-ray will still increase. I’ve changed my perspective from conservative to fairly optimistic.”

Richard Doherty, an analyst with Envisioneering, acknowledged that overall, there were a lot fewer shoppers in stores in December. However, Blu-ray managed to be a hot item.

“With the shoppers that were out there, they were better educated about the format after all of the Black Friday sales. This became the family purchase for December,” said Doherty.

Similarly, Adams Media Research predicted 2.9 million set-tops would sell in 2008, but ended up being off by about 200,000 units.

One soft spot for the format, conceded participants, is software uptake. Consumers are finding Blu-ray titles a bit too steeply priced during the current recession. However, Adams Media Research still predicts software sales will double or even triple in 2009 over 2008.

“People will end up being more cautious about software in the year ahead,” Adams Media founder Tom Adams said. “Consumers are in a recession frame of mind, and [Blu-ray's] premium pricing does not help.”

Participants also believed Blu-ray would ultimately prove victorious over competing download/streaming or video-on-demand entertainment. Consumers can’t help but notice how far ahead Blu-ray’s quality is over other options, they said.

“When people see [The Dark Knight] on Blu-ray, it brings them to tears. But the best of satellite and cable is delivering just one-third of Blu-ray’s data quality,” Envisioneering’s Doherty said.

Adams added that consumer preference still overwhelmingly rests with physical entertainment, citing little attraction so far to new technologies such as Apple TV and Vudu. One increasingly popular method to view streaming films is Netflix, he noted, but so far, the service is limited to offering catalog movies.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6627903.html
 
Add to this the fact that more audio-focused titles are expected this year (and onwards) and BR is definitely here to stay.

I also find it supremely ironic that Sony is now pushing a format that essentially encapsulates all the DVD-Audio standards (MLP encoding - AKA Dolby TruHD, High-bit reate multi-channel PCM, Menus, video, etc. ). So much for why SACD’s DSD was superior, now that they are collecting the royalties, who cares about DSD ;)

But I agree with the Zipster, physical media will be trumping network delivery at the high-end forever.

Those of us who live at the bleeding-edge know this all too well (He says as he looks at his stack of LaserDiscs purchased when VHS was the ‘other’ video format).
 
But I agree with the Zipster, physical media will be trumping network delivery at the high-end forever.

You - of all people - saying this? Now that's interesting.

You're probably the only person here that actually has a network infrastructure capable of streaming HD video successfully - so why do you say that?
 
You - of all people - saying this? Now that's interesting.

You're probably the only person here that actually has a network infrastructure capable of streaming HD video successfully - so why do you say that?

Amey, it's one thing to have the in-home infrastructure to stream HD content (GigE to every corner of the house on wired CAT5), but it's completely another to be able to download >25GB in a reasonable time to watch a rental or VOD from a 3Mbps DSL line (or heck, even an 8Mbps Cable modem).

The chokepoint is the last mile, as well as the general second tier of the global network backbone, it's not ready for massive bandwidth demands that HD would place on it.

So to watch true high-bit rate HD, it must be on a BR carrier today. Tomorrow, there will be more demands, as there will more meta-data (3D) and other features to support. Then we will be transitioning to 4K HD, with it's even larger data demands. It never ends ...

So that’s why I believe some form of media, whether a variant of the 5” disc or a holo-storage card is where we will find the latest-greatest content.
Also, don’t underestimate peoples desire to have something physical to touch and handle for their favorite movies.

As a for instance, I paid $165 a decade or so ago for a deluxe box set of the movie Amadeus on LaserDisc. It’s one of the most beautiful packaging jobs, with a huge color booklet on the movie, the production of the audio tracks, etc. It even included a special CD with the soundtrack.
I’ll never get rid of it, even when I no longer have an LD player, as it’s a show-piece for the movie collection area, and something I like to read through every few years when the movie is re-released in the latest format (dvd a few years ago, and this year, on BluRay).

Now, for movies that just distract (vs involve), like little comedies one plays after a stressful day, then it would be nice to stream those, but only if the quality can be maintained.
 
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