amey01
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Booked my trip to the Australian audio show (22 October)........I'll be sure to pornograph the event for you all (if I survive the cold and rain in Melbourne).
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User211
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That'd be fantastic. Looking forward to it!
amey01
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If only it can come close to your standard. In fact, if only the Audio Show is half of what the London is, it will be good.
User211
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My standard? I just talk a load of subjective jibberish interspersed with sometimes incorrect facts - all washed down with media of about the quality an amateur pornographer might take on his first attempt at busting to the glamour/sex industry
.You can't fail
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amey01
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My standard? I just talk a load of subjective jibberish interspersed with sometimes incorrect facts - all washed down with media of about the quality an amateur pornographer might take on his first attempt at busting to the glamour/sex industry
You can't fail
If that is your standard then that should give you an idea of how bad mine might be.
tsv_1
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Looks like ML will be represented... perhaps they'll have the CLX on display as well (?)
Also a few other interesting exhibitors - should be a fair ripper! (hope I got the context right on that )
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Most of the world's finest home entertainment electronics brands will be on show, including the UK's B&W, Epos, KEF and Creek Audio; Japan's Denon, Marantz and JVC, the internationally acclaimed NAD, Martin Logan, Runco, Paradigm and Atlantic Technology from the USA, Gryphon and Jamo from Denmark, Elac, Sennheiser and Magnat from Germany, Australia's own SGR Audio, Orpheus, Duntech, Osborne and Aktimate - well over 100 brands in total.
edit to add: Justin... any possibility that Graz will exhibit?
Also a few other interesting exhibitors - should be a fair ripper! (hope I got the context right on that
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Most of the world's finest home entertainment electronics brands will be on show, including the UK's B&W, Epos, KEF and Creek Audio; Japan's Denon, Marantz and JVC, the internationally acclaimed NAD, Martin Logan, Runco, Paradigm and Atlantic Technology from the USA, Gryphon and Jamo from Denmark, Elac, Sennheiser and Magnat from Germany, Australia's own SGR Audio, Orpheus, Duntech, Osborne and Aktimate - well over 100 brands in total.
edit to add: Justin... any possibility that Graz will exhibit?
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amey01
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fair ripper! (hope I got the context right on that
Yep.
Full list of exhibitors here:
http://www.chestergroup.org/index.php?option=com_joomd&view=joomd&Itemid=271
Many are Australian distributors, so the potential marques will be many.........
Bernard
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Adam, don't forget pictures of ARC!
Yeah, I know, just looking at a picture of a great amplifier is like just listening to a great painting
Yeah, I know, just looking at a picture of a great amplifier is like just listening to a great painting
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User211
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No he's not keen on it, apparently. Word is they will improve it next year - in which case - maybe!
Bernard
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By "it" do you mean the Apogee or the show?
tsv_1
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that stopped me for a second too Bernard, but it MUST be "show"... there's no other answer.
User211
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That said, I'm sure the next pair of Synergys will probably be a bit better than the last. Apogee is just a very small business these days - a hand made product made by an enthusiast - always looking for ways to do better.
tsv_1
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You know what I've come to the conclusion on? All that slam we were discussing and hypothesizing about before? It comes down to nothing more than spatially and temporaly coherent air pressure transients. That is, time-aligned diaphragm movement. The more coherent movement range (i.e. tranducer travel) the more slam. I think ML "panels" suffer in this respect because even though you can occasionally see the film vibrate, it's clearly (by design) never moving as far, back and forth, as mid-bass and bass dynamic drivers are designed to do. I think Apogee has more panel movement than ML (Justin, correct me if I'm wrong) and that's all there is to it. Some would argue that ML makes up for it because there's so much effective radiating area compared to dynamic drivers, but I say the slam is missing (or attenuated) because that area is simply too distributed across a wide range. This must be imminently measurable with good SPL meters in a highly controlled A/B test environment.
So, Justin, you may want to suggest to Graz (which I'm sure he's already digested and re-digested a million times) that well controlled linear movement with expanded travel of the diaphragm as a goal will put him over the top in terms of worlds best
Of course anyone from ML reading this is more than welcome to deflate my crude analysis and respond with why the CLX LF cross-over point isn't lower than what it's currenty rated for (i.e. transducer area + linear travel = bass : assuming no backwave cancellation, etc)
Flame on
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Bernard
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That's what I thought too, but this is Justin we are talking about, so you never know
Bernard
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Todd, in a live performance of acoustic instruments (say an orchestra), do you notice "slam"? I know that I do notice it in a recorded performance, but I'm not sure if I've noticed it live.
BTW once again we're hijacking a thread
BTW once again we're hijacking a thread
User211
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Re slam Bernard - a drum kit has oddles of it.
Todd - start a new thread with your post. This is Adam's thread and Bernard is oh sooooooo right. He has real manners, you see
Todd - start a new thread with your post. This is Adam's thread and Bernard is oh sooooooo right. He has real manners, you see
tsv_1
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Adam, my apologies for slamming your thread like this. Like a concussive blast of disregard.
amey01
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It's morning here, and look who's been busy overnight? Hey - I don't mind my thread being used for whatever you like. It's a shame it doesn't sound like Apogee/Graz will be at the show, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of other components to provide SLAM!
tsv_1
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Krazikiwi
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Damn the sonic consequences
Live acoustic instruments don't generate slam, but they do push air and a degree of physical presence, amplified instruments do both slam and generate air pressure waves within an enclosed auditorium which I think Todd is talking about in a home situation which is why we tend to close doors and windows to aid dynamic impact during demonstrations.
Shall I start a thread on cultural hifi differences where we can see what others think?
Adam, I am tempted to come over to Melbourne for a look see how antipodeans do hifi shows.
Fjeff
Since the hijackers have already taken control I will jump on. Bernard, this is the vein that I was alluding to when we were discussing cultural aural touchstones. Dynamics, slam seem to be favoured more in the Americas from their hifi gear makers in my opinion.Todd, in a live performance of acoustic instruments (say an orchestra), do you notice "slam"? I know that I do notice it in a recorded performance, but I'm not sure if I've noticed it live.
BTW once again we're hijacking a thread
Live acoustic instruments don't generate slam, but they do push air and a degree of physical presence, amplified instruments do both slam and generate air pressure waves within an enclosed auditorium which I think Todd is talking about in a home situation which is why we tend to close doors and windows to aid dynamic impact during demonstrations.
Shall I start a thread on cultural hifi differences where we can see what others think?
Adam, I am tempted to come over to Melbourne for a look see how antipodeans do hifi shows.
Fjeff
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