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Diamonds said:
Guns are scary. I don't like them one bit. I don't ever want to shoot any gun! I prefer peace, love and an administration who feels war is not the answer. :rocker:
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They are more than scary. They are a self fulfilling prophecy. We all know the usual circular arguments that are endemic to the "right to bare arms".

All I know is that I grew up in Detroit where the city had an average homicide rate of 800 to 900 deaths per year linked directly to firearms.

IMHO, all one needs to do is read the news regarding recent deaths at the Omaha mall and the slaughter of 32 innocent people at Virginia Tech University. And how about "Cookie" who, three days ago, blew away several Town Council members, a policeman, and the mayor because he was upset about some unpaid parking tickets. And then, of course, there was Columbine.

I fully support individuals having a gun to legally hunt where the food goes on the table and the hunting fees are used for wildlife mangement.

Other than that, more guns mean more senseless violent deaths at the hands of people who have access to a gun.

My favorite story, circa 1991, was when the NRA opposed the ban on tephlon coated bullets. These bullets were designed to pierce "protective body armor" worn by police officers and such. Upon hearing this, George Bush Sr. announced he was cancelling his membership to the NRA.

I fully expect the usual replies of guns don't kill people, people kill people. At some point, this country will hopefully wake up and realize that the number of guns that exist in this country, along with the relative ease of purchasing a firearm, are directly related to the hideous homicide rate in the USA and creates and fosters a self fulfilling / self destructive prophecy.

Sorry gentlemen. With all due respect, I just don't get it.

GG

PS: For my personal protection, I have a can of bear spray in my house just in case. As effective as a gun but no one dies.
 
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Gordon Gray said:
They are more than scary. They are a self fulfilling prophecy. We all know the usual circular arguments that are endemic to the "right to bare arms".

All I know is that I grew up in Detroit where the city had an average homicide rate of 800 to 900 deaths per year linked directly to firearms.

IMHO, all one needs to do is read the news regarding recent deaths at the Omaha mall and the slaughter of 32 people innocent people at a university back east. Sorry but I don't recall the school. And how about "Cookie" who, three days ago, blew away several Town Council members, a policeman, and the mayor because he was upset about some unpaid parking tickets. And then, of course, there was Columbine.

I fully support individuals having a gun to legally hunt where the food goes on the table and the hunting fees are used for wildlife mangement.

Other than that, more guns mean more senseless violent deaths at the hands of people who have access to a gun.

My favorite story, circa 1991, was when the NRA opposed the ban on tephlon coated bullets. These bullets were designed to pierce "protective body armor" worn by police officers and such. Upon hearing this, George Bush Sr. announced he was cancelling his membership to the NRA.

I fully expect the usual replies of guns don't kill people, people kill people. At some point, this country will hopefully wake up and realize that the number of guns that exist in this country, along with the relative ease of purchasing a firearm, are directly related to the hideous homicide rate in the USA and creates and fosters a self fulfilling / self destructive prophecy.

Sorry gentlemen. With all due respect, I just don't get it.

GG

PS: For my personal protection, I have a can of bear spray in my house just in case. As effective as a gun but no one dies.
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You said it "Guns dont kill people , people kill people"

You take your bear spray and Ill take my 12 gage against a meth head who feels no pain. At least he will not feel the buck shot turn his head into hamburger as he tries to break into my home and harm my family. Hopefully your still are around to tell the story of how that bear spray just ****ed him off enough to torture you and rape your family ! :eek:

Guns provide us with equality ! If you have one and I have one we become equals ..;) There would be much less crime and murder if they knew there would be instant death to those who committed hanis crimes.:devil::devil: We are way to easy on criminals. Kill someone , go get re trained or should I say rehabilitated at becoming a harder more angry person. All doing this on my dime!


If you don't understand this thred, DON'T POST IN IT ! It isn't a political debate, NOR will it get into one ! Its for anyone who appreciates shooting guns and wants to talk about it. You don't like guns why would you impose your thoughts on them to those that do. Seems senseless to me. If anyone else wants to debate firearms and their use fullness start another thred. This one is for the members that like the sport and the hobby.
 
Hi CAP,

I read your reply and respect your viewpoint.

Now, can you tell me what your really think.:D

I made my "political" comments based on other comments in this thread.

For example and paraphrasing:

1) It's not the guns you fear but some of the crazy people out there.

2) Buying the new .416 cal M82A ...shoots flatter and farther while neatly circumventing the assinine and unconstitutional anti -50 BMG laws which most socialistic states are passing.

I didn't make those comments and I believe they fall outside of "spirit" of this thread and clearly fall into the social / political realm (political debate as you said) and my response was directed towards those comments and not towards socially responsible gun owners.

With all due respect, I don't need to own a gun to feel "equal" to you or anyone else.

Also, I don't need to be told by you or anyone else whether I should post or not. As previously stated, I didn't make the political / social comments cited above and was simply responding to those comments.

And regarding the "high powered" bear spray (maunufactured in various strengths), you apparently have no idea how powerful it is. If someone is sprayed with the "high octane" version, they won't be getting up for awhile.

Best regards,

Gordon
 
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Off topic! This thread is not about repealing or subverting
the Second Amendment.

Gordon, please start another thread so we don't have to
abandon this one.
 
No problem. Didn't intend to hijack the thread. My sincere apologies if I upset anyone.

GG
 
Gordon Gray said:
They are more than scary. They are a self fulfilling prophecy. We all know the usual circular arguments that are endemic to the "right to bare arms".

All I know is that I grew up in Detroit where the city had an average homicide rate of 800 to 900 deaths per year linked directly to firearms.

IMHO, all one needs to do is read the news regarding recent deaths at the Omaha mall and the slaughter of 32 innocent people at Virginia Tech University. And how about "Cookie" who, three days ago, blew away several Town Council members, a policeman, and the mayor because he was upset about some unpaid parking tickets. And then, of course, there was Columbine.

I fully support individuals having a gun to legally hunt where the food goes on the table and the hunting fees are used for wildlife mangement.

Other than that, more guns mean more senseless violent deaths at the hands of people who have access to a gun.

My favorite story, circa 1991, was when the NRA opposed the ban on tephlon coated bullets. These bullets were designed to pierce "protective body armor" worn by police officers and such. Upon hearing this, George Bush Sr. announced he was cancelling his membership to the NRA.

I fully expect the usual replies of guns don't kill people, people kill people. At some point, this country will hopefully wake up and realize that the number of guns that exist in this country, along with the relative ease of purchasing a firearm, are directly related to the hideous homicide rate in the USA and creates and fosters a self fulfilling / self destructive prophecy.

Sorry gentlemen. With all due respect, I just don't get it.

GG

PS: For my personal protection, I have a can of bear spray in my house just in case. As effective as a gun but no one dies.
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I whole heartedly agree!!

I don't think your post is offensive it just is another point of view on guns. Someone may want to shoot a "super duper 8484 caliber rifle (I make stuff up sometimes)" you just want to make a point about gun control and guns in society. I do not see how it is all that different. All opinions...
 
Diamonds said:
I don't think your post is offensive it just is another point of view on guns. Someone may want to shoot a "super duper 8484 caliber rifle (I make stuff up sometimes)" you just want to make a point about gun control and guns in society. I do not see how it is all that different. All opinions...
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That is not what this thread is about...take it elsewhere as previously suggested por favor... I prefer to have the right to keep and bear arms as I see fit and will vote so that I can continue to do so. If you choose not to keep and bear arms yourself that is your choice.

And not a single one of my MANY, MANY guns has EVER crawled its way out of my vault, safe, or holster to kill anyone or even just randomly fire. I agree that when someone gets mad it is much easier to kill if they have access, but because of the shear volume of guns (and many have come here on the black market from China and Russia) there will ALWAYS be guns for the criminal element who want them. You will never be able to ELIMINATE ALL the guns and then all you are doing is arming the criminals. Ask anyone in Australia, they took all the guns out of law abiding citizens hands. It is also amazing how you NEVER, EVER here about all the folks who have saved their own life, that of their friends and neighbors and protected property with the use of personal firearms, sometimes they don't even use them to kill. Only when someone goes crazy and kills a bunch of people do you hear about it. That is when it suits the radical left leaning news agencies and the sensationalism of the news today in general. *rant off*

Sorry, now back to the proper topic.

I LOVE that new military shotgun. That thing is AWESOME! NO RECOIL! WOW! I would LOVE to pump a few rounds out of that bad boy!
 
<sigh>

Gordon graciously apologized. I enthusiatically thanked him for his courtesy. No harm no foul. See how easy that was Diamonds?

Now learn from the exchange and stop trolling. Just start another thread on how much you hate guns. Don't derail this one.

Returning to the topic...

I think I'll buy that Springfield M21 Tactical with about 1,000 rounds tomorrow. I hope Larry's still has one in stock.

Then again, there's a new gun store I've not yet visited next to the Public's grocery store near my house.
 
Pcar928fan said:
That is not what this thread is about...take it elsewhere as previously suggested por favor... I prefer to have the right to keep and bear arms as I see fit and will vote so that I can continue to do so. If you choose not to keep and bear arms yourself that is your choice.

And not a single one of my MANY, MANY guns has EVER crawled its way out of my vault, safe, or holster to kill anyone or even just randomly fire. I agree that when someone gets mad it is much easier to kill if they have access, but because of the shear volume of guns (and many have come here on the black market from China and Russia) there will ALWAYS be guns for the criminal element who want them. You will never be able to ELIMINATE ALL the guns and then all you are doing is arming the criminals. Ask anyone in Australia, they took all the guns out of law abiding citizens hands. It is also amazing how you NEVER, EVER here about all the folks who have saved their own life, that of their friends and neighbors and protected property with the use of personal firearms, sometimes they don't even use them to kill. Only when someone goes crazy and kills a bunch of people do you hear about it. That is when it suits the radical left leaning news agencies and the sensationalism of the news today in general. *rant off*

Sorry, now back to the proper topic.

I LOVE that new military shotgun. That thing is AWESOME! NO RECOIL! WOW! I would LOVE to pump a few rounds out of that bad boy!
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Now liberalism V conservatism that is a topic for another thread.
 
HsvToolFool said:
<sigh>

Gordon graciously apologized. I enthusiatically thanked him for his courtesy. No harm no foul. See how easy that was Diamonds?

Now learn from the exchange and stop trolling. Just start another thread on how much you hate guns. Don't derail this one.

Returning to the topic...

I think I'll buy that Springfield M21 Tactical with about 1,000 rounds tomorrow. I hope Larry's still has one in stock.

Then again, there's a new gun store I've not yet visited next to the Public's grocery store near my house.
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I think you are referring to this thread in which I said I don't care of guns, again just a different point of view, just like if you care for a 6 shooter over an Uzi. I fail to see the difference but I am dense I suppose.

I said my peace and the discussion went on. BTW I am certainly not going to apologize in an open discussion for stating an opinion especially when it was not said hatefully or caused harm to anyone’s beliefs. I did not say you can't own a gun or go shooting a gun. Its just Gordon and I and a few others just have a different take on this topic.

My favorite gun is the sideways Uzi from the documentary Gang Bangin' in Little Rock.
 
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Just a dream but it would be nice to pull the trigger on a fine Holland & Holland. I do prefer my shotguns side by side, light, and straight stocked.
 

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Pcar928fan said:
That is not what this thread is about...take it elsewhere as previously suggested por favor... I prefer to have the right to keep and bear arms as I see fit and will vote so that I can continue to do so. If you choose not to keep and bear arms yourself that is your choice.

And not a single one of my MANY, MANY guns has EVER crawled its way out of my vault, safe, or holster to kill anyone or even just randomly fire. I agree that when someone gets mad it is much easier to kill if they have access, but because of the shear volume of guns (and many have come here on the black market from China and Russia) there will ALWAYS be guns for the criminal element who want them. You will never be able to ELIMINATE ALL the guns and then all you are doing is arming the criminals. Ask anyone in Australia, they took all the guns out of law abiding citizens hands. It is also amazing how you NEVER, EVER here about all the folks who have saved their own life, that of their friends and neighbors and protected property with the use of personal firearms, sometimes they don't even use them to kill. Only when someone goes crazy and kills a bunch of people do you hear about it. That is when it suits the radical left leaning news agencies and the sensationalism of the news today in general. *rant off*

Sorry, now back to the proper topic.

I LOVE that new military shotgun. That thing is AWESOME! NO RECOIL! WOW! I would LOVE to pump a few rounds out of that bad boy!
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I guess I qualify as anyone in Australia. Criminals do have guns but they largely kill other criminals or their associates at a rate far lower than exists in the United States. It is my understanding that a weapon for home defence is far more likely to end up being used on a relative than a home invader. I continue to be amazed at the denial of the NRA and its apologists.

The fronteir mentality underlying the right to bear arms is reflected in the United States appalling foreign policy. It is 2008 and there is a long historical record of the futility of shooting each other as a method of sorting out disagreements. The right to bear arms is an astonishing anachronism.

Kevin
 
Americas appalling foreign policy

ap·pall·ing /əˈpɔlɪŋ/ [uh-paw-ling]
–adjective causing dismay or horror:

The fronteir mentality underlying the right to bear arms is reflected in the United States appalling foreign policy.

What exactly has you in a state of dismay or horror regarding our foreign policy? Please be specific. It is easy to throw around phrases.

FYI fronteir is correctly spelled frontier, i before e except after c
 
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