Bass Advice

[Fidji99]

Thanks for your concise, honest advice Fidjii99 - Didn't sound harsh at all - I've worried the Summits are too big for the room and the dim's are a major, maybe even unsurmountable challenge - but they just sound sooooooooo good lol. I have a pair of VA Beethoven Baby Grand's. They sound wonderful given their size, and did balance the bass out quite well. I did use a sub with them. I'd like to improve their tweeter as they are the prior model. Maybe that would help give them some of the airiness of the ML's. Just haven't heard anything that can do what electrostats can do in the way of soundstage and imaging (At the under $10k price range). Maybe some used Wilson Audio Sophia's or Sasha's? Do you have any recommendations?

- I will follow your advice measuring with REW. I have the app but never used it. I've measured it with the DSP from my DBX Driverack and used their eq recommendation but it seems to loose the fine detail over 400k+. Could this be just the quality of the DBX? I have little experience with Audiophile level DSP units.
- You were adamant about not using foam for panels. Just curious why?

1) Foam vs Rockwool [or similar] - rockwool is just denser and you get the same performance from thinner panels. e.g. GIK Acoustics is using this type of absorption. 4 or 6in wool panels are already usable, if yo support them with air gap and can nicely improve 80-200Hz range, if placed properly.

2) recommendation re speakers - I have one, but i do not know how applicable it is in US.
Most neutral and well behaving speakers for small room [for me] are Neumanns with Calibration and Subwoofer [sold together]
You need 2 of those
https://www.neumann.com/en-us/products/monitors/kh-750-dsp/

and 2 of those - your choice, my preference is KH310 [sealed]
https://www.neumann.com/en-us/products/monitors/kh-310-a/
or
https://www.neumann.com/en-us/products/monitors/kh-150/
150's are maybe even better, 310 might be an overkill for your size of the room.
top quality build, some review
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...neumann-kh-310a-review-powered-monitor.17723/

and then you round it with this
https://www.neumann.com/en-us/products/monitor-accessories/ma-1/

3) Wilson Audios are MUCH more finnicky to setup, even compared to ML's. I had Sasha's.

Hope this helps

 

[Rehan Azim Hashmi]

https://www.shahinianacoustics.com/

Price approx. same as Classic ELS 9.

Sound articulate, drivers provide a very integrated sound and are detailed.

The area they shine in is musicality. Beat one of the best in this area that is Martin Logan Original CLS.

If you are considering other dynamic speakers then this is the best i have heard.

You may be pleasantly suprised when you hear Shahinian Arc loudspeakers.

 

[Nuri58]

How do thes compare to the ML traditional LS? From various reviews of ML vs ML I note there are at least some preferring the traditionals