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I don't hang out here; this site is no fun at all. I looked in here because a friend told me ML production was leaving the country and I found that of interest. You seem to think that an interest in using a device means one has an emotional interest in the company that makes it and that's not true.

I dunno, doesn't mean much to me one way or the other. I have the product and use it but I don't feel any emotional connection to the company. I doubt they feel such a connection to me either. Companies come and go; I have a feeling this one is starting to go.

What's important is what ML's owners want. Besides, I already have what I want, a pair of ML speakers. I doubt I'll ever buy another pair regardless of where they're made.

If not MLs then some other stats or back to horns like Altec 19s or JBL Pro CS-3115s. Never cones and domes, never.

We were talking about changes in speakers and how speakers hold value. "Real" Klipsches are an example of speakers that had very few changes and hold value well. For speakers that went through few changes and are now worth more than the original price look at the Altec 604.

Did I say MLs don't hold their value? Klipsches, the "real" ones go down and then hold. And in some cases such as those with Stephens and WE drivers value seems to go back up. Paul Klipsch made only a few models of speakers and all were based on a common platform, basically as you went up the...

Minorl is raked over the coals for heresy. Speaking of which the Klipsch Heresy is a speaker with a total of only 2 major changes (and the changes aren't really that major anyway) in it's 50 year history and which holds it's value very well. It's funny though that since the Hoosier Garage Door...

Sonnie---Mind that this is a forum where to say a receiver can provide excellent sound is treated by many as an outrageous statement but to say an "audiophile wall outlet" can provide excellent sound isn't. There's a great deal of audio religion here and several inquisitors to keep the faithful...

Intersting, I just did a little reading on LLTs. What drivers do you use?

Maybe the speakers are simply not to your taste, no matter what you do. Their basic voice may not be your cup of tea. Are those subs tapped horns?

That's the control room at Stax in Memphis. In the photo are Sam and Dave, Issac Hayes, Jackson and Love (Memphis Horns) and Steve Cropper. Jim Stewart the owner sits at the desk. Beatles listen to an Altec 605 Monkees with an RCA LC-1 and an Altec A7 Phil Spector's band and Altec A7...

Perhaps. But the only people who know how the recording should sound are the people who made it. This then brings up the notion that if you're not using the gear they used and in a similar room.......you can see where that goes. Maybe that's why so many recordings of the 50s through the 70s...

Accuracy in a loudspeaker can't even be defined, at least not with a definition that engineers agree on. Dipoles vs. monopoles, electrostat vs. dynamic, horn loaded vs. direct radiating, wide dispersion vs. narrow, good transient response vs. low distortion----cases are made for all.

A reasonable statement and one I agree with. Your comments about varying noise floor and it's effect on dynamics are interesting and reasonable.

I agree with that definition of dynamic range. Given a common noise floor the speaker that gets the louder is the one with the better dynamic range, thus a speaker that can play at 125 db by definition has better dynamic range than one that can play at only 100db. I think dynamic range and...

Yes, you do that well. You haven't heard a system yet know it isn't high fidelity. As I said, that's a religious argument; you have a dogmatic belief that some things just cannot be. And a penchant for stating your subjective preferences as absolute truth, a kind of a Torquemeda of high...

Yes, that's my point. I don't listen to music very loud any more, I live in a condo. I never play it so loud that one can't easily talk over the music, I doubt I hit 90db anymore except on peaks. When I lived in houses I was free to use systems with first rate dynamics but in a condo no. And I...

Now you're being supercilious. Despite your arguments that inexpensive gear MUST be worse than expensive gear the fact remains that many of the best systems I've heard use such gear. Like that of a friend who has CJ, AudioNote and Monarchy amps on the shelf and uses a Panasonic chip amp...

Dynamics is a function of output not of transient response. Transient response shows itself as extended response and such response is a product of power to weight not merely a light diaphragm. Stats have weak motors and many types of speakers with heavier diaphragms but more powerful motors have...

Indeed it would and does. Oh well, I quit takers reviewers seriously in the 1970s. As for owners, I doubt that many have owned systems that had as great dynamic capabilities as those I've owned, in fact if they've traveled the conventional "high end" road the odds they've had a system with...