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I was listening to an acousitc recording last night that I have been fortunate enough to hear live in a domestic environment (The Catholics, self titled album).

I was wondering if I have a problem, or have I discovered a reason why recorded playback never sounds like the real thing.

The Catholics are a jazz ensemble comprising of several instruments - tenor, alto sax, double bass, steel guitar, acoustic guitar, drums, trombone, trumpet. Great music by the way.

Anyway, my problem is this - if I adjust the volume to sound like the group playing live in my listening room, I can only get it right for one instrument. ie. If I adjust the drums to sound "live", then the rest of the instruments are out. At first it could be a recording issue (sounds obvious), but I then tried several other recordings. Same thing.

Case in point - another really good recording - Natalie Merchant's Tigerlilly. If I adjust so the piano sounds "in my room" then Natalie's voice is way off the mark.

Surely recording engineers couldn't be that stupid? Maybe they are?

What do you guys think?
 

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I think the problem is much harder than you give it credit for. room acoustics and equipment type change everything. this is one for TonePub maybe he will chime in
 
The volume level challenge is something that is universal to all us crazies I suspect.

What I do is adjust the volume so that the musical presentation sounds like a whole / integrated piece without any specific "spotlighting" issues. That level maybe quite different that what you think is close / correct. I then record that level on a "stickie" for each CD.

With my CJ, I can adjust in 0.7 db increments. I wish I could have a finer gradation.

With most recordings and assuming your system is of sufficient transparency, this will hopefully be obvious.

If your system spotlights certain frequency ranges, could be a reason to consider room treatments or changes in the hardware, speaker positioning, etc.

From my experience, finding the correct volume level for each recording is critical to connecting to the music.

Hope that helps.

GG
 
The volume level challenge is something that is universal to all us crazies I suspect.

What I do is adjust the volume so that the musical presentation sounds like a whole / integrated piece without any specific "spotlighting" issues. That level maybe quite different that what you think is close / correct. I then record that level on a "stickie" for each CD.

With my CJ, I can adjust in 0.7 db increments. I wish I could have a finer gradation.

With most recordings and assuming your system is of sufficient transparency, this will hopefully be obvious.

If your system spotlights certain frequency ranges, could be a reason to consider room treatments or changes in the hardware, speaker positioning, etc.
GG

It depends on your mood as well though, of course. My point is though - for me - it never sounds as a "whole" because there is always one instrument that sounds like it should be at a different level.

I guess some recording engineers should be shot. Make that just about all of them.


From my experience, finding the correct volume level for each recording is critical to connecting to the music.

Absolutely!
 
Amey, here is a simple test.

Try it on headphones, if the imbalance persists, then you know it’s the recording.
If it sounds OK, then you know you have some room or equipment induced issue.

Looking at the pics of your setup, I’m guessing you have some nasty mid and high-frequency resonances in that room.

Never underestimate the ability of big dipole line-source to light up the resonances in a room if they are there.

It’s actually one of the reasons why I’ll sometimes recommend someone trade away to a monopole point source. Not that I think they perform better, but in some rooms and in certain locations, it’s the only fix (since no one seems to want to redo their décor using acoustic treatments ;) ).
 
Are those walls made of plaster/brick? Can be very reflective... JonFo could be right. I got plasterboard walls with this house, and they are very acoustically "dead" compared to the brick walls in the last one. It sucks otherwise, but it is good for acoustics compared to brick.
 
Well, I did some more listening last night.

The (good? bad?) news is that I have found some recordings that sound perfectly balanced. The Sheffield Lab recordings of Clair Marlo and "The Usual Suspects" are fantastic - perfect.

I also tried with headphones as Jon suggested but it is too hard ascertain as the instruments don't sound "in the room with you".

Thanks for reminding me Jon - yes, acoustic treatments are coming - that is, permanent ones! I already adjust the fabric blinds, place a rug over the TV etc for serious listening sessions. The room was just like that for the photos!

So we're just talking crappy recordings - fantastic, hey?

...and yes Justin - plasterboard walls (brick construction) and concrete floor.
 
Are those walls made of plaster/brick? Can be very reflective... JonFo could be right. I got plasterboard walls with this house, and they are very acoustically "dead" compared to the brick walls in the last one. It sucks otherwise, but it is good for acoustics compared to brick.

Actually, when you knock plasterboard, it does ring quite a bit. And the frequency varies depending on how close you are to the support joists. All I know is the room sounds much better than the last brick one. I guess the plasterboard "absorbs" some of the energy... and there's insulation behind it that acts as a "deadener".

I'm guessing, really. Ethan, thoughts?
 
I'm pretty much in agreement with most of the posts here too. It is most likely a combination of untreated acoustical problems with your room, and unwarranted post-production molestation of the signal by recording engineers.

The trouble with most modern engineers is many-fold. Most of them are NOT musicians, most of them record in multi-track and never actually hear their bands playing TOGETHER, most of them actually believe in their heart of hearts that "processing" can actually ADD to the quality of recorded sound, and most of them have crap for playback equipment in their studios. With all these variables working against them, it's actually a minor miracle that ANY mainstream recordings are listenable at all...

There have been a LOT of very talented pop acts ruined for audiophiles because of heavy-handed engineers lately--Amy Winehouse, Jet, Joss Stone, JJ Cale, the list goes on. Just because you have an effects rack full of 27 different compressors, limiters, faders and DSP processors, doesn't mean you have to use them ALL on every recording. Someone needs to grab these board-monkeys by the collar and beat some sense into them with a vintage Neumann....

The "audiophile" labels ted to leave their recordings relatively unmolested, and so they generally sound a LOT more balanced, smooth, and "real". With audiophile labels, you can pretty much guarantee that anything you buy is going to sound pretty true to the original--with "mainstream" music, or indy stuff, you're pretty much at the mercy of the integrity of the engineer. So if you don't mind building a music collection of artists that nobody but other audiophiles have ever heard of; or annoying, self-indulgent performances by the wives and girlfriends of super-rich audio-gear manufactures and recording company execs; or white-bread and mayonaise soul-less performances wrapped in a facade of "artistic" warbling and technically proficient musicianship by suburban divas with a "message" and a "following", (because this is pretty much what you're gonna get on audiophile labels!) then your choices for good recordings are pretty much a crapshoot. Mainstream recordings are sometimes good, sometimes bad, and sometimes they are completely egregious assaults on the aural morality of anyone who can hear...

But if you look into some simple acoustical treatments for your room, that can go a LONG way. If you don't want to hang huge panels everywhere, you might look into the Michael Greene Room Tunes treatments. I've used them in the past and they are miraculous, and visually unobtrusive. And you might also look into some sort of DSP like Audessy or one of the high-end Behringer or dbx digital EQ/RTA boxes. The equalizer is making a comeback as an acceptable addition to HiFi, now that processors are fast enough to do real-time processing in conjuction with RTA, in the digital domain.

--Richard
 
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This is purely an anecdotal observation; since I bought a stand-alone digital recorder (Sony RCDW500C), and have since had much more experience in making my own recordings, I have a theory: The record level meters should indicate more or less an average level, than instantaneous peaks and dips in the signal levels, particularly during live recordings. After all, does a musician's instrument, or voice for that matter, have a meter with a redline? When my mother could still play her piano well, the transients and overall SPLs when she was on a roll would curl your hair!
I've made quite a few recordings where the level meter was constantly in the red and as long as I'm not getting stupid about it, the recordings, to my ear at least, sound MUCH more like a live performance. In a way I think I'm compensating a little for existing recording technology and techniques' inability to capture a live performance's phase response, transients, and that elusive "air" that is perceived during a live performance.
That is also why IMO a good live recording sounds better than a studio recording. The recording generally has a lot less "stuff" in the signal path, and all the nuances of an "imperfect" environment are also captured.
I suppose the engineers are perhaps setting the redline too low? I've deliberately set the record level almost 100% in the red, and the recording wasn't clipping or distorting. I've had similar experiences with tape recorders, but not as radically.
Of course I'm taking it from an engineering point of view, not taking into account the nuances of an individual listening environment, or amplification and transducer technology in use by the end user, into consideration.
 
Actually, when you knock plasterboard, it does ring quite a bit. And the frequency varies depending on how close you are to the support joists. All I know is the room sounds much better than the last brick one. I guess the plasterboard "absorbs" some of the energy... and there's insulation behind it that acts as a "deadener".

I'm guessing, really. Ethan, thoughts?

Yes, mine is insulated with fibreglass batts too. I found the concrete floor made the biggest difference of all - before my last listening room, I had a timber floor and it rings and shakes like crazy. Concrete is essential in my book.
 
Tube60,

You give the recording industry WAY to much credit.

No, they are NOT setting their levels too low. No they are not mic-ing things from incorrect distances. No, they are not trying to compensate for the limitations of their recording gear (because their gear today is about as astoundingly high-res as you can imagine!)

They are, on purpose and with malice aforethought, running EVERYTHING through a series of compressors and limiters, for several reasons. First of all, highly compressed recordings sound better on cheap gear like car stereos and portable devices. Second, highly compressed recordings make for better background noise, and the sad fact is most people today don't really want to listen to MUSIC, they want melodic and pleasant "soundtracks" for their daily activities that do not demand attention, participation, or intellectual interaction. And third, such highly compressed music actually causes certain brain-wave states, which are EXACTLY the opposite states you get from listening to live music--compressed music, no matter what type or genre, creates a leveled mood, a depressed ability for discernment, and an overall feeling of placidness. Compressed music is essentially psychoacoustic valium. Well, at least, for anyone who doesn't expect their recorded music to actually sound like REAL music. It's actually a quite brilliantly subtle form of social control and mass brainwashing. It's cheaper than drugs, and people actually pay the establishment for the privaledge of being exposed to the technology that is taking away their ability to experience a wide range of emotion. Brilliant, really...

Don;t believe me? Listen to the latest pop CD for a few hours--you can actually feel the IQ points draining out of your ears. Listen to the latest rap release for a day or two--you can actually sense your concern and humanitarian sensibilities evaporating like a cup of gin and juice sitting on the hood of a '64 in August. OR just go to a record store and attempt to hold a conversation with any of the staff. Most are incapable of forming thoughts longer than a lyric line, and this is mostly due, I believe, to their long-term exposure to popular media.

For audiophiles, such mangled recordings actually can create near manic responses--perhaps it will be the audiophiles of the world that will lead the next great revolution against the New World Order and their mind-control media.
 
Tube60,
You give the recording industry WAY too much credit.
No, they are NOT setting their levels too low. No they are not mic-ing things from incorrect distances. No, they are not trying to compensate for the limitations of their recording gear (because their gear today is about as astoundingly high-res as you can imagine!)
Compressed music is essentially psychoacoustic valium. Well, at least, for anyone who doesn't expect their recorded music to actually sound like REAL music.

It's actually a quite brilliantly subtle form of social control and mass brainwashing. It's cheaper than drugs, and people actually pay the establishment for the privaledge of being exposed to the technology that is taking away their ability to experience a wide range of emotion. Brilliant, really...
--perhaps it will be the audiophiles of the world that will lead the next great revolution against the New World Order and their mind-control media.

Good point, although I avoid the mass-media crap as much as I can, and for a lot of the reasons you've stated. Actually, and I should've been more clear, I was going off of my own experiences and what I've heard with the better recordings out there.
As for the brainwashing, I, too, agree, but it's partly passive IMO, in that as we as individuals and a society have less and less experience with what real, live music really sounds like; the end users accept whatever comes their way as Gospel, and allows the social engineers a venue for their idiocy. One could also throw in the deliberate dumbing-down going on in our educational system, to create a nation of helpless, dependent citizens but that's best left to another forum! Read Orwell folks!;)
 
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Hi Dreamer,

X2 to Justin's comments.

I find your posts to be extremely insightful. Thank you.

My general sense of the state of music recordings, the commercial market, and the quality thereof, is similar.

We all know the dynamics of commercialism. One does what one needs to do to market and sell a product. We all know that we constitute such a small portion of the public who expect quality in reproduced music.

However, I am encouraged by companies like PentaTone, who continue to record and market classical music in a SACD format, the resurgence of Doug Sax, and other entities (the recent RR direct digital recordings products) that ascribe to the theory that "music reproduction quality matters" and that there will be a market for such products.

Reminds me of a book that I read a long time ago entitled "The Road Less Travelled". Although it is premised on a different topic, it speaks well to the conundrum in the audiophile music industry.

For me, I'm optomistic but then again, that's my personal approach to life in general.

GG
 
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Most are incapable of forming thoughts longer than a lyric line, and this is mostly due, I believe, to their long-term exposure to popular media.

Totally true! And more so exposure to TV and make-believe movies than music I suspect, but it's all much of a muchness.

I think we've got a double-edged sword here because as true as what you say is, I also think there are issues with incorrect miking........how often do you see a fr1ggin' mike stuffed in a bass drum? Since when have you seen someone's ear listening to the music from that position? How about a mike or two crammed into the lid of a beautiful Bösendorfer?

I think this all combines to create the unlistenable rubbish of which we all speak!

Interesting though - that you see "engineers" using the same techniques to reinforce live performances, but they still sound live.
 
I agree that not all recording engineers know high fidelity when it comes to capturing that "You are there" sound, but it is complex to get. A lot of it has to do with the engineer’s ability to correctly choose miking techniques and also consider room acoustics carefully. All of my recording experience comes from the days of analogue and tape, there was no such thing as digital anything except for digital delay units. So I can't comment on the digital recording domain.

Just for reference, the equipment at most record label level studios is of very high quality and top notch gear. The studio I worked at in the late 70’s had 16 and 24track 2" tape machines which at that time cost $80K - $90K each, the recording console $150K, 2 channel master tape machines at $30 - 40K each, microphones each with their own sound from a few hundred dollars each to over $2K each. Then there’s outboard equipment like huge overhead monitors, huge amplifiers, compressors, limiters, noise gates, delay units, reverb plates...big bucks, and this was a middle of the road studio!

One reason for miking a kick drum inside the drum itself is to isolate the kick from the rest of the kit so the engineer can EQ it to the producers liking. Miking this way is most likely to get only the kick drum as the prominent sound. This also goes for the rest of the kit where any number of mics can be used. I've seen sessions where 7 mics were used on one kit. Most mics, except for the overheads are placed within an inch of the drum head...again to isolate each drum as much as possible and allow the engineer to pan (select the balance left to right or location of the drum in the recording) to their (or the producer's) liking. Personally I like and prefer distant miking.

Another aspect of close type of miking is that it eliminates the affect or contribution of the room acoustics to the sound of the kit. Now keep in mind this can and is also applied to a lot of other instruments as well, such as close miking a guitar amp. And let’s not forget about direct boxes, where you take the signal right off of the electronic instruments output and feed it directly to the console.

There are a lot of techniques being used as well as complex binaural far field miking. Far field miking captures more of the room acoustics along with the original instrument. You see more of this with acoustic instruments than you do with electronic and are gaining use in live recordings, particularly orchestral type settings. If a recording engineer were to use far field miking in a recording studio, it would require a large room with very good acoustics. Either way what the engineer wants to do is record the original signal as dry and flat as possible to the multitrack tape. These are original tracks. Think of it like this, if you record a signal with a lot of EQ, too much compression/limiting and processing, and it turns out that the next day the track sounds lousy...it becomes very difficult to undo what you already recorded on tape without introducing other problems. After the signal is recorded to the multitrack, then it can and usually is EQ'd and processed (sometimes to death) when it is mixed down to two channel master tape. Very often two channel master tapes are also compressed or limited one more time to keep the signal within the signal to noise of the tape. This really kills a lot of the dynamics of the original recording. There's one more hurdle, when the master tape gets to the record lathe, it is limited once again due to the record limitations and the RIAA is applied to the cutter head electronics and encoded into the record grooves. Yeah there's a ton of processing going on by this time...

A recorded signal should hit a tape at a certain level to avoid two things, too low a signal will increase the noise floor of the tape itself, and too loud a signal will saturate a tape or cause a distorted signal. Just because a level meter is in the red does not always mean it is distorted. Some tapes can handle a hotter signal and others cannot. +3 and +10 dBm seem to hit my memory. When I used to set up the noise reduction and console levels, it always was dependant on the tape and the engineer’s preference. Recording a performance that has a lot of dynamic range is difficult. That's why DBx and Dolby noise reduction is necessary...because of the tape limitations to handle both very quite and very loud signals. This in combination with room acoustics and or close miking as apposed to distant miking challenges the engineers ability to use good techniques.

This is a complex issue and very hard to understand in a few paragraphs. But like most of you, I am also still out for the reason why certain recorded material sounds so unlike the real thing. Most of the pop and rock stuff is highly compressed from the start. I do believe in very good playback equipment to allow the signal to be reproduced as well as we can afford to. However we have to consider our own room’s acoustics also. After all we do read about of some listening at near distance to avoid room interaction acoustics or others who develop very well dampened rooms to minimize the room’s contribution to the overall sound. On a personal level, and this was mentioned in someone’s in home piano playing, I also believe that a lot of power is needed to reproduce all the sound pressure that an acoustic instrument can produce live. Example, my 11 year old daughter practices her clarinet and although she is young I always listen to the volume and harmonics it can produce and am always amazed at how much richer it sounds than when I play a prerecorded CD. I feel it in my chest when that little girls lungs blurt out a note! Is it my system, probably...it can stand a few upgrades yet. But I've heard good systems too and even some of them can't even reproduce the sound my 11 year old gets out of that wind instrument!

So yes a lot of it has to do with the complex nature and decisions the recording engineer, recording studio acoustics, and also with the definitive say-so the Producer decide sounds best for the record company and what will sound best on the radio. Most of the time recordings are not made to satisfy audiophiles...that takes to much time to do. I can and do appreciate a well recorded disc, whether tape, vinyl, or disc. There's so much to this.
 
wow, thank you so much for this unbelievable insight to the recording process... You made some very important points in your post! Very insightful!
Thanks for your contribution here!

I agree that not all recording engineers know high fidelity when it comes to capturing that "You are there" sound, but it is complex to get. A lot of it has to do with the engineer’s ability to correctly choose miking techniques and also consider room acoustics carefully. All of my recording experience comes from the days of analogue and tape, there was no such thing as digital anything except for digital delay units. So I can't comment on the digital recording domain.

Just for reference, the equipment at most record label level studios is of very high quality and top notch gear. The studio I worked at in the late 70’s had 16 and 24track 2" tape machines which at that time cost $80K - $90K each, the recording console $150K, 2 channel master tape machines at $30 - 40K each, microphones each with their own sound from a few hundred dollars each to over $2K each. Then there’s outboard equipment like huge overhead monitors, huge amplifiers, compressors, limiters, noise gates, delay units, reverb plates...big bucks, and this was a middle of the road studio!

One reason for miking a kick drum inside the drum itself is to isolate the kick from the rest of the kit so the engineer can EQ it to the producers liking. Miking this way is most likely to get only the kick drum as the prominent sound. This also goes for the rest of the kit where any number of mics can be used. I've seen sessions where 7 mics were used on one kit. Most mics, except for the overheads are placed within an inch of the drum head...again to isolate each drum as much as possible and allow the engineer to pan (select the balance left to right or location of the drum in the recording) to their (or the producer's) liking. Personally I like and prefer distant miking.

Another aspect of close type of miking is that it eliminates the affect or contribution of the room acoustics to the sound of the kit. Now keep in mind this can and is also applied to a lot of other instruments as well, such as close miking a guitar amp. And let’s not forget about direct boxes, where you take the signal right off of the electronic instruments output and feed it directly to the console.

There are a lot of techniques being used as well as complex binaural far field miking. Far field miking captures more of the room acoustics along with the original instrument. You see more of this with acoustic instruments than you do with electronic and are gaining use in live recordings, particularly orchestral type settings. If a recording engineer were to use far field miking in a recording studio, it would require a large room with very good acoustics. Either way what the engineer wants to do is record the original signal as dry and flat as possible to the multitrack tape. These are original tracks. Think of it like this, if you record a signal with a lot of EQ, too much compression/limiting and processing, and it turns out that the next day the track sounds lousy...it becomes very difficult to undo what you already recorded on tape without introducing other problems. After the signal is recorded to the multitrack, then it can and usually is EQ'd and processed (sometimes to death) when it is mixed down to two channel master tape. Very often two channel master tapes are also compressed or limited one more time to keep the signal within the signal to noise of the tape. This really kills a lot of the dynamics of the original recording. There's one more hurdle, when the master tape gets to the record lathe, it is limited once again due to the record limitations and the RIAA is applied to the cutter head electronics and encoded into the record grooves. Yeah there's a ton of processing going on by this time...

A recorded signal should hit a tape at a certain level to avoid two things, too low a signal will increase the noise floor of the tape itself, and too loud a signal will saturate a tape or cause a distorted signal. Just because a level meter is in the red does not always mean it is distorted. Some tapes can handle a hotter signal and others cannot. +3 and +10 dBm seem to hit my memory. When I used to set up the noise reduction and console levels, it always was dependant on the tape and the engineer’s preference. Recording a performance that has a lot of dynamic range is difficult. That's why DBx and Dolby noise reduction is necessary...because of the tape limitations to handle both very quite and very loud signals. This in combination with room acoustics and or close miking as apposed to distant miking challenges the engineers ability to use good techniques.

This is a complex issue and very hard to understand in a few paragraphs. But like most of you, I am also still out for the reason why certain recorded material sounds so unlike the real thing. Most of the pop and rock stuff is highly compressed from the start. I do believe in very good playback equipment to allow the signal to be reproduced as well as we can afford to. However we have to consider our own room’s acoustics also. After all we do read about of some listening at near distance to avoid room interaction acoustics or others who develop very well dampened rooms to minimize the room’s contribution to the overall sound. On a personal level, and this was mentioned in someone’s in home piano playing, I also believe that a lot of power is needed to reproduce all the sound pressure that an acoustic instrument can produce live. Example, my 11 year old daughter practices her clarinet and although she is young I always listen to the volume and harmonics it can produce and am always amazed at how much richer it sounds than when I play a prerecorded CD. I feel it in my chest when that little girls lungs blurt out a note! Is it my system, probably...it can stand a few upgrades yet. But I've heard good systems too and even some of them can't even reproduce the sound my 11 year old gets out of that wind instrument!

So yes a lot of it has to do with the complex nature and decisions the recording engineer, recording studio acoustics, and also with the definitive say-so the Producer decide sounds best for the record company and what will sound best on the radio. Most of the time recordings are not made to satisfy audiophiles...that takes to much time to do. I can and do appreciate a well recorded disc, whether tape, vinyl, or disc. There's so much to this.
 
DreAMER,

I could not agree more with your post!
Yes it is a total fraud - everything is recorded on purpose with NO dynamic range to make things sound listenable on crappy boombox speakers with 50 cent paper cones, or the throw away ipod headphones! It is really a shame that they are throwing away part of the music listening experience for that!
Tube60,

You give the recording industry WAY to much credit.

No, they are NOT setting their levels too low. No they are not mic-ing things from incorrect distances. No, they are not trying to compensate for the limitations of their recording gear (because their gear today is about as astoundingly high-res as you can imagine!)

They are, on purpose and with malice aforethought, running EVERYTHING through a series of compressors and limiters, for several reasons. First of all, highly compressed recordings sound better on cheap gear like car stereos and portable devices. Second, highly compressed recordings make for better background noise, and the sad fact is most people today don't really want to listen to MUSIC, they want melodic and pleasant "soundtracks" for their daily activities that do not demand attention, participation, or intellectual interaction. And third, such highly compressed music actually causes certain brain-wave states, which are EXACTLY the opposite states you get from listening to live music--compressed music, no matter what type or genre, creates a leveled mood, a depressed ability for discernment, and an overall feeling of placidness. Compressed music is essentially psychoacoustic valium. Well, at least, for anyone who doesn't expect their recorded music to actually sound like REAL music. It's actually a quite brilliantly subtle form of social control and mass brainwashing. It's cheaper than drugs, and people actually pay the establishment for the privaledge of being exposed to the technology that is taking away their ability to experience a wide range of emotion. Brilliant, really...

Don;t believe me? Listen to the latest pop CD for a few hours--you can actually feel the IQ points draining out of your ears. Listen to the latest rap release for a day or two--you can actually sense your concern and humanitarian sensibilities evaporating like a cup of gin and juice sitting on the hood of a '64 in August. OR just go to a record store and attempt to hold a conversation with any of the staff. Most are incapable of forming thoughts longer than a lyric line, and this is mostly due, I believe, to their long-term exposure to popular media.

For audiophiles, such mangled recordings actually can create near manic responses--perhaps it will be the audiophiles of the world that will lead the next great revolution against the New World Order and their mind-control media.
 
Along these lines, I've recently heard the scuttlebutt that at this year's CarverFest, Bob Carver is going to help us run a little experiment in :live vs. recorded" music, where we will get to hear a live performance of electric and acoustical instruments, which will be recorded live, and then played back immediately afterwards, so we cal all hear what different post-production methods do to a recorded signal. Sure' it's not very scientific, and we don't have "studio quality" recording rooms at the venue, but it will be an interesting experiment noentheless. I'll DEFINITELY keep y'all posted on this, and will, of course, have a full report after CarverFest, in September...

--Richard
 
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