Does anybody know the status of the supposed "stage" center channel? Was it intended to replace the Theater i? It has been on the coming soon page of Martin Logan website for over a year. Any news would be helpful
LOGANLOVE,LOGANLOVE said:Does anybody know the status of the supposed "stage" center channel? Was it intended to replace the Theater i? It has been on the coming soon page of Martin Logan website for over a year. Any news would be helpful
That’s what it sound like, there having problems makes a smaller center equal the theaters performance. It will replace the Theater center, but physically be about size of the cinema center with XStat technology, so the performance is suppose to be as good if not better than the Theater.Jeff Zaret said:I talked with Jim P again this week at ML for other reasons and he said that he has seen in it different forms going and coming throughout the factory. From what I understand it is similar to the Theater i but with the new "Stat" panel. I think beyond that they are still deciding the final form and IMHO they are having issues with making it noticably better than the Theater i.
Robin said:I think ML has to develop the Stage to fill some rather large sonic shoes, the Theater i has left. All of the ML cone driver technology has been the balance at the upper and lower ends of the spectrum for the huge Theater i. The three soft cone speaker array of the Theater i delivers incredible upper register highs while the two 6 1/2" woofers on either side of the Theater i provides great lower level detail with forceful imagery. I believe part of the problem may very possible be that the Xstat panel might not be capable to produce all of the sonic scale and be smaller than the current Cinema center. I am genuinely very curious to see if the Stage is smaller. IMHO I believe it will have to be the size of the current Theater i, maybe not as heavy or boxy looking, but who knows the Stage may need to have powered 4" - 6" woofers to deliver the sonic scale effectively. The current Theater i's frequency response is 75 - 22,000 Hz with cross over frequency at 300, 3000 Hz at 6 ohms, 250 watts max power. As I say big sonic shoes to fill indeed. It will be interesting to see just what ML engineers and designers come up with to surpass their outstanding Theater i as far as sonic range and performance are concerned. I think the difficulty in the development is a testimony to the excellence of Theater i. It's proving to be was a hard ML "center channel" act to follow...
Your mission if you should choose to except it.Joey_V said:I'll do it!
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You must call Martin Logan, infiltrate their security and get to the bottom of this center channel business. As always if you should be captured we will deny your existence and Carrey on with our daily speculation.
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Jeff Zaret said:The way I understood it from Jim P was that they were having issues with trying to improve perfomance to be greater than the existing model, Theater i. There are many issues and variables within its design or any new product.
What would the advantage be in having a powered woofer in a center channel design? How much is low frequencies are actually delievered there and at what cost in design and manufacture?
If this was the case you are probably looking at a center channel speaker in the $3k range. IMHO, this is a bad move because you can buy other products ML and no ML that will do just as good a job for center channel presentation for less money.
As far as seeing a design, come on folks, when was the last time GM, Porsche, etc, or any stereo manufacture would tip their hand and show what they are thinking so the competition can jump on the bandwagon. This is why they show "proof" of concept and an idea of a design at a trade show and technology booth. The audio market is fickle, so ever fleeting and short lived why hurt yourself by showing others what you want to do.
Just relax and wait. If you really want a ML center by what they currently have. I personally do not see the huge jump in technology of their new "Stage" to run out and buy one.
$3k for a center channel is a lot to ask for what it does. I have heard all the center channels by ML, and the Theater is the only one with reasonable performance. But IMHO, that performance is not worth the current asking prices of $2800 or so new. If the center channels were more reasonably priced for their performance, I would consider buying a ML Center.Jeff Zaret said:Like I said I would have to think long and hard about spending $3k on a center channel. My money does not come easy
So you feel even though the center channel delivers about 80% of the audio for a Dolby digital/DTS movie, it would be better to put your money in the TV as apposed to the center speaker that does most of the work?twich54 said:Dan and Jeff, I agree with both of you , that is one of reasons I'm content with using a Fresco for now. I for one feel that the money could be better served in a better video delivery ie. projection vs. "TV".
Jeff,Jeff Zaret said:Robin,
I think think the Stage was developed long before Shoreline was in the picture and what ever they are offering now will have little effect on the final product.
Like I said I would have to think long and hard about spending $3k on a center channel. My money does not come easy