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I went to the Montreal Hi-Fi show yesterday with a friend of mine. There was not really much to take pictures of (nothing new or outrageous) and it was busy. It was hard getting demos without having people unclear on the concept standing between you (seated) and a speaker; happened to me at least twice.

Some general observations:

In the first room we walked into, my friend really liked the track "Yulunga" from a Dead Can Dance CD; I thought it was pleasant, but I wouldn't buy it.

We walked into a demo of some horn speakers, where they willingly played a couple of tracks from CDs I took. Made me realize I was missing the bass foundation in my SL3s, but the bass was so overpowering that it was messing up the stuff up the line. Given a choice, I would stick with my MLs.

Then we walked into the MBL room, where they were demoing the 101E, and, just as at last year's show, they very obligingly played my CDs. My friend was mightily impressed by how natural they sounded. I was startled by the beginning of one of the tracks; I have listened to it tons of times, but heard new stuff, and the clarity was amazing. If I had the shekels I would almost be tempted to join Gordon on the dark side!

When I was leaving, the MBL guy told me that he remembered me from last year, and asked me to come back later as he liked my music, and that hopefully I would get a better seat (they had a truly crappy room). So we went back, this time to the 120 speakers. They were impressive as well. I truly forgot about the speakers and the show, and enjoyed the music (my music). I took some female vocals and solo piano.

Then I walked into a room where there were no speakers in sight, and they started a presentation soon after. This is a Montreal company that was demoing a 3-channel system they are developing; a processor synthesizes the centre channel from the left and right. I was interested in it as I was recently reading an interview with Harry Weisfeld in an old TAS, where he was advocating the use of a centre channel. In this case the speakers were behind a curtain, and we were given laser pens to point to where we heard the sounds from; I didn't bother with the pen, but in retrospect I should have. One thing that struck me immediately was that the image heights were wrong; in particular, the drums were close to the ceiling. A lot of people pointed to the left side of the curtain. At the end the guy indicated that there were speakers on either side (at the exact location pointed to), with the centre channel close to the ceiling. When I told him that his image heights were wrong, he asked if anyone else heard the drums near the ceiling; no one else did, apart from my friend, who did not speak up as he does not speak French and the presenter did not speak English. The presenter was dismissive of my comments. I left unimpressed. Note: the presenter did not reveal what speakers they were using. I wonder how it would sound with Joe's CLXs, but then Joe has one too many (or one too few?).

As much as I think that Chord equipment looks gorgeous in silver, it looks like crap in black.

There was some ARC Ref stuff on static display. Gorgeous in silver (as it should be); I don't like dark ARC.

I thought that some Castle speakers sounded very nice, but that may have been because they were playing Marta Gomez. I was beginning to think that I liked Brit sound, but I was unimpressed with some Spendors. Sorry Justin!

There were a lot of turntables, a lot on static display. One impressive-looking one was made by Haas. Most sources were CD, iPad, or servers.

In one room a woman was playing music from her iPhone and comparing cables between it and the USB input on an amp. You could clearly hear differences between the cables, and no, it was not double-blind.

In the software area I saw two CDs that caught my attention, so I bought them. They were "Lullabies from the Axis of Evil" and "Cantus Sororum" (Medieval Brigittine Songs From Naantali Convent) on the Proprius label. The first one is lullabies from places like Iran, Iraq, and Syria. I listened to a couple of tracks when I got home; lovely women's voices doing soothing lullabies. Recommended. The second CD I was sure to like as I love to listen to nuns' voices in chant; I was not disappointed. No Todd, I said "Medieval" not "Baroque".

DAMN! Martin Logan was not there!

Listening to my system at home after, I could not help but think I do not have to apologize to anyone for it.
 
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Interesting Bernard, nothing the comfort zone of ones own system !
 
Dave, it's more than that. I didn't get any serious upgrade-itis, besides flirting with the idea of spending non-existent money on $70K speakers.

I forgot to mention that there were all sorts of gadgets there, including one that smelled of snake oil: Cardas caps (not shorting) to prevent dust from getting into unused inputs, and supposedly blocking RFI; the snake oil part was that they were cryo'd.
 
Don't worry about the Spendors - I've never heard a pair of them I liked.

But DO worry that you went to a show without a pornocam. Very terrible sin you have committed, Bernard, and very worthy of the following:

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Justin, consider this thread completely useless then. Perhaps you should petition Tom to relegate it to the cyber graveyard you think it deserves :)

There was nothing there outstanding, apart from MBL, and I'm sure you've seen enough of it in yucky white. In all the time I was there (about 4 hours), I saw only one camera flash, and that was in the MBL room. I walked into the Clearaudio room hoping to see some serious turntables (the Statement, perhaps), but there was only a very basic table there on static display.

There were boatloads of people there, milling around the equipment, so a lot of the pictures would have been of posteriors. Now, if you're into posteriors, I can oblige you next year :))
 
I went to the Montreal Hi-Fi show yesterday with a friend of mine. There was not really much to take pictures of (nothing new or outrageous) and it was busy. It was hard getting demos without having people unclear on the concept standing between you (seated) and a speaker; happened to me at least twice.

Some general observations:

In the first room we walked into, my friend really liked the track "Yulunga" from a Dead Can Dance CD; I thought it was pleasant, but I wouldn't buy it.

We walked into a demo of some horn speakers, where they willingly played a couple of tracks from CDs I took. Made me realize I was missing the bass foundation in my SL3s, but the bass was so overpowering that it was messing up the stuff up the line. Given a choice, I would stick with my MLs.

Then we walked into the MBL room, where they were demoing the 101E, and, just as at last year's show, they very obligingly played my CDs. My friend was mightily impressed by how natural they sounded. I was startled by the beginning of one of the tracks; I have listened to it tons of times, but heard new stuff, and the clarity was amazing. If I had the shekels I would almost be tempted to join Gordon on the dark side!

When I was leaving, the MBL guy told me that he remembered me from last year, and asked me to come back later as he liked my music, and that hopefully I would get a better seat (they had a truly crappy room). So we went back, this time to the 120 speakers. They were impressive as well. I truly forgot about the speakers and the show, and enjoyed the music (my music). I took some female vocals and solo piano.

Then I walked into a room where there were no speakers in sight, and they started a presentation soon after. This is a Montreal company that was demoing a 3-channel system they are developing; a processor synthesizes the centre channel from the left and right. I was interested in it as I was recently reading an interview with Harry Weisfeld in an old TAS, where he was advocating the use of a centre channel. In this case the speakers were behind a curtain, and we were given laser pens to point to where we heard the sounds from; I didn't bother with the pen, but in retrospect I should have. One thing that struck me immediately was that the image heights were wrong; in particular, the drums were close to the ceiling. A lot of people pointed to the left side of the curtain. At the end the guy indicated that there were speakers on either side (at the exact location pointed to), with the centre channel close to the ceiling. When I told him that his image heights were wrong, he asked if anyone else heard the drums near the ceiling; no one else did, apart from my friend, who did not speak up as he does not speak French and the presenter did not speak English. The presenter was dismissive of my comments. I left unimpressed. Note: the presenter did not reveal what speakers they were using. I wonder how it would sound with Joe's CLXs, but then Joe has one too many (or one too few?).

As much as I think that Chord equipment looks gorgeous in silver, it looks like crap in black.

There was some ARC Ref stuff on static display. Gorgeous in silver (as it should be); I don't like dark ARC.

I thought that some Castle speakers sounded very nice, but that may have been because they were playing Marta Gomez. I was beginning to think that I liked Brit sound, but I was unimpressed with some Spendors. Sorry Justin!

There were a lot of turntables, a lot on static display. One impressive-looking one was made by Haas. Most sources were CD, iPad, or servers.

In one room a woman was playing music from her iPhone and comparing cables between it and the USB input on an amp. You could clearly hear differences between the cables, and no, it was not double-blind.

In the software area I saw two CDs that caught my attention, so I bought them. They were "Lullabies from the Axis of Evil" and "Cantus Sororum" (Medieval Brigittine Songs From Naantali Convent) on the Proprius label. The first one is lullabies from places like Iran, Iraq, and Syria. I listened to a couple of tracks when I got home; lovely women's voices doing soothing lullabies. Recommended. The second CD I was sure to like as I love to listen to nuns' voices in chant; I was not disappointed. No Todd, I said "Medieval" not "Baroque".

DAMN! Martin Logan was not there!

Listening to my system at home after, I could not help but think I do not have to apologize to anyone for it.

Thank you Bernard for taking the time to post your show thoughts. Having never heard the MBLs (a shameful admission indeed) I'm now even more inclined to do so after having read your comments re: "hearing new things on familiar recordings".

As for the morons who stood between your seated listening position and the audio system, I would make a recommendation that going forward, you bring a Romulan Disruptor rifle to future shows... it has a way of clearing one's immediate vicinity of undo clutter :p

As for pics... your commentary was vivid enough for me.

Cheers
 
I was wondering how you would take that:)!

Excuses, excuses, though - I dunno. Next time, just pick out the posteriors that take your fancy and click "shoot"!.

You wil of course be judged entirely on your selection.:D

Anyway, I wondering whether to do Munich this year, or High-End Switzerland. Tough choice. Which do you think will have the better posteriors?
 
I was wondering how you would take that:)!
There's little here that I take seriously. :)

Excuses, excuses, though - I dunno. Next time, just pick out the posteriors that take your fancy and click "shoot"!.

You wil of course be judged entirely on your selection.:D
You do realize, of course, that most posteriors there are male. Come to think of it, the only women I saw there were exhibitors, and no, they were not exhibiting their posteriors.
Anyway, I wondering whether to do Munich this year, or High-End Switzerland. Tough choice. Which do you think will have the better posteriors?
Depends upon you, old chap. Do you like hausfraus or a Swiss mix posterior-wise?
 
Thank you Bernard for taking the time to post your show thoughts. Having never heard the MBLs (a shameful admission indeed) I'm now even more inclined to do so after having read your comments re: "hearing new things on familiar recordings".

As for the morons who stood between your seated listening position and the audio system, I would make a recommendation that going forward, you bring a Romulan Disruptor rifle to future shows... it has a way of clearing one's immediate vicinity of undo clutter :p

As for pics... your commentary was vivid enough for me.

Cheers
Todd, you do need to listen to the MBLs. I suspect that you will find image depth quite impressive. I have to admit that I have yet to listen to the CLX, so I have no basis for comparison. I may take you or Joe up on your invites to listen to them.
 
Come to think of it, the only women I saw... were not exhibiting their posteriors.

Bernard - we stand in grave disagreement on this point. In my view, all women are exhibiting their posteriors 24/7/365... it's just the way things are. (sometimes to our delight, other times... well... 'nuff said ;))
 
Bernard,

Having heard the MBL's at numerous shows over the years, I totally share your enthusiasm. In the end, that's what made me a believer.

My 116's are two models below the 101's but share the tweeter and midrange "pods". The 111's are similar to the 116's but with a larger mid bass / bass module.

I would love to own the 101 but like you, they are well beyond my means.

Having said that, the 116's and the 111's share similar magic, absent the large (and terribly inefficient mid bass pod) and can be found on the used market for (within the context of uber speakers) a reasonable price.

Thanks for the report and your observations.

Gordon

PS: FWIW, a 101E MK 2 for sale (current model recently reviewed by TAS and Stereophile) on the Gon for $36K. Still not cheap but lots better than $70K. But remember, you needs mucho power for these guys.
 
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I suppose I was in the enviable position of having the CLX in one room and MBL 101Es in another at a show a few years back - well documented here in fact.

I remember rating the CLX at 9 and the MBLs at 8.5 out of ten. That is CLX sans subs. The CLX is a lot cheaper, too, so it did well.

A cross comparison is hard since the two speakers sound so different. If you value scale, the CLX wins hands down - can't beat those big panels for that.

They both get slaughtered by Trios and basshorns. Even the 101 Extreme gets beat by the AG combo - excellent though it is. That's my line anyway and I'm sticking to it.:)

Anyway, Bernard, at UK shows we usually get some rather made up ladies who issue smiles at regular intervals to attract the punters. That's the sort of posterior potentially requiring appreciation I was talking about, but do remember - not all swing the same way:)
 
Here's a few more thoughts on a topic I find interesting i.e. which is the best of the aforementioned.

1) The CLX sounds the least like the others i.e. it is the most deviant.
2) The MBL101 extreme is much like the 101E but with far superior scale and bass.
3) The 101E gets beat by the 116F in the bass dept. Not what you'd expect, maybe. A thought shared by a 116F owner I'm going to see next week.
4) In fact, even my long-in-the-tooth but re-vamped Apogees sound more like the others than the CLX.
5) The Trios - and I must stress with basshorns - simply sound like the most convincing portrayal of having musicians in front of you. And by some margin. Seriously, seriously good.
 
Sorry we didn't get to hook up again, Bernard, but I didn't get to SSI this year. :-( Maybe next time...
 
Hi Justin,

The bass on the 116 better than the 101E's?

Find that hard to believe but ..................

Could be that the 116 stops at the lower 30's and you don't have any room issues below that frequency.

After a year, I'm still working on tuning that low bass in my room. I'm very close. Could be that I have the original versus the "F" version.

Checked out "hifi pig". Good luck to your friends on this endeavor.

G
 
Bernard - we stand in grave disagreement on this point. In my view, all women are exhibiting their posteriors 24/7/365... it's just the way things are. (sometimes to our delight, other times... well... 'nuff said ;))
Todd, doesn't that really depend upon whether they are walking towards you or away from you? :)
 
A cross comparison is hard since the two speakers sound so different. If you value scale, the CLX wins hands down - can't beat those big panels for that.
Justin, scale is great if you (well, okay, maybe not you) are listening to a symphony orchestra, but how do they compare on small-scale stuff? And considering that the MBLs are omnis I think you probably need a much larger room than the CLXs, and room treatment (so no MBLs in Britain!).
Anyway, Bernard, at UK shows we usually get some rather made up ladies who issue smiles at regular intervals to attract the punters. That's the sort of posterior potentially requiring appreciation I was talking about, but do remember - not all swing the same way:)
No made up ladies in Montreal, and Montreal is very permissive in that area. In fact, in Montreal you can buy T-shirts that say, "Good girls go to Heaven, bad girls go to Montreal"!
 
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