raanan said:
I would expect from the stacked ESL QUAD 57 pairs,that I once had,that running 2 pairs of MLs concurrently would provide sufficient bass.
Lowest bass was missing with the stacked 57 pairs,but the resultant sound was so full,that there was really no need for a sub.
The best sub that I used with the CLSs was,most surprisingly-an AR1W woofer.
And,with CLSs,a sub is mandatory.I have to think of a way to set up the SL3s and the CLSs together.
Raanan
Hola Raanan...with all respect, I don't agreed with you about the sub. Also, I now that there are here at the Club, many good friends that use a sub with their CLS, like Dan and Jeff. I do respect their position as yours also. On the other hand, my CLS IIz supplies all the bass that I need in my room. Every time that I try to sep up a sub with them, I start to bring the level of the sub down, down, until I say there, then I realize that the sub is almost doing nothing...don't get me wrong here. It depends a lot of the type of music that you listen, too. If you are using your CLS for HT, the sub is mandatory, as you said, but this is true for all models also, not only the CLS. If I have too much bass energy in my room, I loose the super great scenario that I get with them, including the size of the bass player at the stage. My CLS goes deep enough to show and give me the soul of the musician playing for me. What I listen most of the time, is combo jazz, classical soloist, and small chamber orchestra also...I think it is a matter of taste. I played bass in my group long time ago, so also, I do know how a fender bass sounds with a Westmister Vox amplifier with an 18" woofer. Again, I think that there are just a few, very few instruments go very deep. I do enjoy an organ, through my CLS...yes not all the notes are deeper as well as if I use a sub, but I rather have my stage and scenario as I get it without the sub than too many bass enery that destroys that, in my room. Again, this is my liking, and not necessary yours...but if you bring your CLS at least 1.30 meters away of the back wall, tilt them laying on their's back about at least 1/2 an inch, and from this distance you start to "tune them" for bass energy in your room, you will feel that the sub is not needed with this type of music. The coherence and the ability to reproduce all the audio spectrum full range, without any crossover in the signal path is the most forefront purist speaker that I have found. I talked with Jim Power once, and he agreed with me regarding this...but he pointed me out that if you want "more bass energy" in your room, just add a sub without crossovering the signal...just around 40 Hz and below is control's the set up of the sub, and using the level just enough to get there, where you don't hear it, but you feel is there...difficult to match, due to the speed of the stat panel...
This is my liking...the truth is, I'm still in love with my CLS IIZ and still I get goose bumps when I listen a lot of wonderful musicians out there!!!...trust your ears, and happy listening,
Roberto.
