Tiberium said:
I never said SVS was good and I never said ML was good but SVS does kill ML when it comes to tests. Now the quality of bass coming from these subs is different and matters only to the person listening to it. If you want a real nice pre built sub go with a velodyne DD.
Tiberium...not directed at you...but your post made me come up with some ideas to throw around...
In the tests I have read about, the SVS does SPL's well and has some decent measurements. But do SPL's and measurements equate to good sound? For some people yes, for others no. Does good testing results always relate to good sound? Does good talk about the product on audio forums equate to a good product? Some of these may be a starting point or a way to determine what "may" be good or not. But like you have stated, it is up to the person listening and their decision on what is best for them. And ultimately what sounds best in their setup and environement.
With the SVS subs being direct buy only, it is hard to audition one. Yes you can get one at home to try out for the trial period, but you do have to pay for the shipping charges - not a cheap audition for the larger ones. If I really wanted to hear a SVS sub without having to outlay some cash, I guess I could try to find someone local to me with it and see if they would be willing to let me come over for a listen.
I finally got a chance to listen to the DD-12 sub the other day with some Bohlender-Graebener speakers (nice sounding for ribbon speakers). The store I was at did not have the DD hooked up to video for me to verify how it was setup. But when I listened to it, I was not impressedl - and with all the great talk about the DD line, I was ready to be wow'ed. But in defense, I wish I knew how it was setup and if the EQ was done to truly verify how well the sub was performing. Without the EQ setup, the sub really was not showing its true potential.
I also had a chance to listen to the Depth - but in a different store, and matched up with ML speakers, and I liked what I initially heard from the Depth. But I want to go back when I have some more time for placement changes, setting changes, and more time to sit and listen to more song choices. I only had a quick hour to stop by on my way home from work which really does not give one time to fully audition a product.
Dan
BTW, IMO bass is not bass, whether in movies or music. Sure, movies can have the huge bass effects, but subtle differences in bass quality in a movie or music make the difference between good and great sound. Finally, anyone on this site with ML speakers is not an average listener because the speakers they own are well beyond any average speaker in sound quality. I have owned Velo, SVS, ACI and other subs and the Depth is much better for music and movies. It is flat in my room below 20hz, and the bass is powerful but articulate.
