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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Again a post dedicated to attacking me personally. The fact your post is riddled with sarcasm is just icing on the cake. Len continue to state your opinions please. We will never see eye to eye on this issue. Now that that is done, I hope others in this thread are not discouraged by Len's...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Gordon, You have a level head about the subject. I would definitely like to hear some "reasonably crafted" ideas from politicians. I fear that that won't come to pass anytime soon. No matter how many different proposals or ideas that I keep reading about gun control or focusing on gun control...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    timm, That is a good point. I am more alarmed that so many politicians are using tragedies to forward their own agendas. This is the way I view it. I understand that some people on this forum disagree with me on that. However, I would ask why the push for stricter gun control now? Why wasn't...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    I appreciate your honesty. I actually am a little suspicious that some of the Senate democrats would like to completely ban all guns in America. For obvious reasons they will not come out and say this. I guess a question for members here would be: Would you support a representative, senator or...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Hocky, What are your opinions on the steps that need to be taken to help decrease gun violence?
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    It seems people are missing my point here. I don't really care that the president has protection. I agree he should have the protection that he has. My issue is that his "protection" uses the same weapons that he wants to ban from the general population. The fact that the president has body...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Can someone else please weight in on this. I do not feel as though my responses fit what Len44 is accusing me of at all. I am not using any "tactics" as I am accused of using. Again, I have not resulted to insults and I will not result to insults. I have made observations and unfortunately it...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Len, You are becoming increasingly hostile. You are obviously very emotional about this issue. Also, where was I attempting to limit your freedom of speech exactly??? I merely asked nicely that we be civil and stay on topic. If you would like to deny that you are not willing to stay on topic...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Len, It is becoming more apparent that you are more interested in criticizing opinions different than yours and not about having a serious conversation about the gun control issue. Again, please be civil and stay on topic. Also, who ever mentioned anything about Bush? Did I ever mention him...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    I am not disagreeing that the president needs protection. I do disagree that the president has anymore of a right to that protection than any other American. It seems like people are subtlety trying to change the subject. Also, I was wondering how long it would take someone to result to insults...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    @Hocky: So explain to me where we need to draw the line here on who is and who isn't a "target". Are you telling me that due to the small risk of my family being a target that I should not have the same right to protect them as the president? If so, that thinking is on the verge of viewing the...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    To that I would say that driving is not a right as outlined in the Constitution. Please understand that we are discussing the "right to bear arms" and if the government should be limiting that right more so than it already does. Now to address the NRA's remarks. I would ask if people really...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Gordon, I personally would not support any legislation banning guns. That is my personal opinion of the matter after growing up around guns and understanding that they are not something to be taken lightly. Gun safety should be stressed to every child (and adult for that matter) in homes that...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Kevin was able to pretty much put into words what my thoughts are on the situation. I think part of the reason I have a hard time explaining where I am coming from is that it is hard for me to understand why people are okay with giving the government so much power. @Gordon: What you call...
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    Yes Dave, it's time to raise the issue again

    Gordon, I really could not have said it any better than timm. Also, if you actually look at the statistics I believe the weapons that are mis-classified as assault weapons are responsible for only 2-3% of gun related violence. So please explain to me why we are focusing on semi-automatic...
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