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    I'm happy with my Oppo 105D. Use it as my music server too.. AND you can rip your SACD's with it if you ever go that route.. It plays EVERYTHING.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    I thought SACDs were all but dead. I remember walking into a large record store in Montreal years ago, and seeing a bunch they were almost giving away.
    Agree. Anything you can't stream is a dead duck. But now that you can rip/stream SACDs, I don't see how there can be any market for them? Who wants to deal with storage and mucking around with physical discs?

    Here in Brisbane, there is all of one physical record store left. They have reduced their size by about half a few years ago, but honestly, I haven't even been in there for at least 7 years now. I believe they do quite a "quaint" little trade with vinyl - I should drop by and see what their SACD situation is like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twich54 View Post
    I have zero intrest to rip, zip or stream so with that being said what is everyones recommendations for SACD Players......

    my budget is somewhat open and here is what I've thought about.......

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    Here is a thought - and you won't like it. Take your sacds and get them ripped by a very nice fellow and have him keep a backup for you. . He could ...every now and then - validate the backup copies were good by playing them to make sure. You then go buy a directstream dac , a decent USB , and buy Jriver. The directstream goes for way under sticker with the right dealer. Told you wouldn't like it. But it will be the best source you have ever heard

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    Quote Originally Posted by timm View Post
    Here is a thought - and you won't like it. Take your sacds and get them ripped by a very nice fellow and have him keep a backup for you. . He could ...every now and then - validate the backup copies were good by playing them to make sure. You then go buy a directstream dac , a decent USB , and buy Jriver. The directstream goes for way under sticker with the right dealer. Told you wouldn't like it. But it will be the best source you have ever heard
    LOL Tim, as I said before I have ZERO interest in zipping, ripping, tweeting, texting, twaddling or whatever !!!! ...........as for streaming, at my age I regard that as being able to take a good **** (leak) !
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    I love having everything ripped. Rip them all and never worry about it again.
    I can't imagine looking for or even handling media anymore.

    Then there is nothing mechanical to wear out ever again. Nothing to scratch, worry about dust, etc.. etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by amey01 View Post
    Agree. Anything you can't stream is a dead duck. But now that you can rip/stream SACDs, I don't see how there can be any market for them? Who wants to deal with storage and mucking around with physical discs?

    Here in Brisbane, there is all of one physical record store left. They have reduced their size by about half a few years ago, but honestly, I haven't even been in there for at least 7 years now. I believe they do quite a "quaint" little trade with vinyl - I should drop by and see what their SACD situation is like?
    Adam, don't knock the "quaint" little trade with vinyl. I recently modified my vinyl rig with an inexpensive DIY, then bought Diana Krall's "Turn Up The Quiet" on vinyl....yes....vinyl. It's PHENOMENAL! You just have to know what to tweak! Right, Dave?

    Next purchase....her "Live in Paris" album!

    The tweak, btw, consisted of front ending my phono stage with microphone transformers used as moving-coil step-up transformers, and yes, I know, the "technical experts" (sigh!) will tell you that transformers are limited in bandwidth....don't need that discussion, btw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    Adam, don't knock the "quaint" little trade with vinyl.
    No Bernard - not knocking the vinyl trade at all. I was using it as a poignant reminder of how niche the record stores have become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amey01 View Post
    No Bernard - not knocking the vinyl trade at all. I was using it as a poignant reminder of how niche the record stores have become.
    Yes, you've always been a gentleman in our discussions, Adam; I appreciate that!

    I was reading recently about a record pressing plant in the Czech Republic that did not close down when the business slowed to a trickle. They just serviced the minimal business they received, but diversified into printing. Now that the record pressing business has picked up for them, they print the album covers as well. They now run a 24/7 operation, and have opened a new plant somewhere here in Ontario, Canada. Most of their product is shipped to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twich54 View Post
    LOL Tim, as I said before I have ZERO interest in zipping, ripping, tweeting, texting, twaddling or whatever !!!! ...........as for streaming, at my age I regard that as being able to take a good **** (leak) !
    You're a very funny man my friend. I'm with you on this and on taking a "good leak". How difficult is it to push the open drawer button, take the CD out of the case, put it in the drawer, and push the play button?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Gray View Post
    How difficult is it to push the open drawer button, take the CD out of the case, put it in the drawer, and push the play button?
    Not difficult. To me, the bigger issues are storage of thousands of discs, retrieval of that one disc you want to hear out of those thousands, and also the inability to make playlists from multiple cds. I absolutely hate getting up every few minutes to retrieve, play, and then put back multiple discs because I want to listen to a single song on each. I still haven’t undertaken the effort to copy my SACD’s to hard drive though, even though I have an oppo I can use to do it. Maybe this winter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Gray View Post
    How difficult is it to push the open drawer button, take the CD out of the case, put it in the drawer, and push the play button?
    Answer: Not very hard.

    Conversely, how difficult is it to store and curate thousands of cheap-plastic, bulky disc cases. Find what you want, when you want it? Colossal waste of listening time. Not to mention having a spinning disc in the listening room - which can always be heard no matter how well engineered the transport. Getting up constantly.

    It all seems a little "last century" to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amey01 View Post
    Answer: Not very hard.

    Conversely, how difficult is it to store and curate thousands of cheap-plastic, bulky disc cases. Find what you want, when you want it? Colossal waste of listening time. Not to mention having a spinning disc in the listening room - which can always be heard no matter how well engineered the transport. Getting up constantly.

    It all seems a little "last century" to me.
    I've got a large CD/DVD/BD shelf unit in my media room and I'm about to take all the CD's and put them in storage to make room for other stuff. They just collect dust. JRiver is a full multimedia server, but as often as I go for a BD these days which is very rare, it's not that big a deal to put a movie in to play for a couple hours. Still this is something I only do every month or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcheliguy View Post
    i love having everything ripped. Rip them all and never worry about it again.
    I can't imagine looking for or even handling media anymore.
    ^^ bingo ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by amey01 View Post
    Answer: Not very hard.

    Conversely, how difficult is it to store and curate thousands of cheap-plastic, bulky disc cases. Find what you want, when you want it? Colossal waste of listening time. Not to mention having a spinning disc in the listening room - which can always be heard no matter how well engineered the transport. Getting up constantly.

    It all seems a little "last century" to me.
    Hi Adam,

    To answer your questions, not very hard.

    Waste of listening time? Not for me. My discs are well organized by genre and alphabetically arranged so I can find the CD I want quite quickly and oftentimes a CD that I find (while searching) to add to the list of "want to listen to this". And I have about 630 discs which is more than enough to meet my needs.

    Transport noise? In my case, very low and totally inaudible if music is playing. In my current setup, my left ear is less than four feet from my CDP.

    Last century? For folks who are way into computers like you, probably true. For me, I am technically challenged and don't have the acuity or desire to become computer literate.

    Getting up constantly? A non-issue. A twist on "couch potato" which is a term here in the US for someone who sits and watches TV for a long time. I'll call it "server potato" for audiotypes that are glued to their seats while searching for music. And as Dave and I have been discussing, it gives one the opportunity to take a "good leak" between discs.

    Bottom line. Whatever the media, enjoy listening to the music. In the end, that's all that matters.

    Best,

    Gordon

    PS: I fail to understand why techie type people who rip / store music on their computer are so dogmatic (almost preachy) on this server issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Gray View Post

    PS: I fail to understand why techie type people who rip / store music on their computer are so dogmatic (almost preachy) on this server issue.
    Because it's so damned good !! It's why you can hardly find a new CD player any more - there is a wider array of turntables available than CD players.

    Come on Gordon - you've mastered MLO - ripping music is not that much harder (although I admit - there is a significant time-consuming "PITA" component in doing the initial rip). You don't really need to be technically literate because there are integrated ripping/storage solutions available (from audiphile companies, no less). You don't have to build your own server and configure your own software. Although doing so gives you a lot more flexibility if you do happen to be "into computers". It's your choice though.

    Naim HDX
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    ......that sort of thing.

    For me personally, sometimes we find technology is solving problems we didn't even know we had. Technology for technology's sake.

    For music ripping, not so. I have always abhorred the physical media concept since I was a kid. Like I'd imagine most people here on this forum, my musical taste extends beyond the latest Madonna or One Direction single. Finding what I wanted - on physical discs, in crowded shopping centres - was always a challenge for me. So was storing the piles of cheap plastic. And finding stuff to play - wondering what disc a particular track was on, etc.

    Ripping has solved all of this - my music collection is far more useful, interactive and enjoyable. It serves me instead of me serving it.

    I initially had my doubts too (15 years ago)...... and there are certainly some downsides. I'd be lying if I didn't point out that keeping appropriate backups and taking disks offsite is not an insignificant piece of work. Setting up and configuring a new server is a bit of work as well (and as my current server has been running for over 6 years now, it's a job I am trying to put off tackling - even though I know I'm going to have to deal with it soon). But it pales into insignificance when I think of the challenge of curating a large disc collection.
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