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    Hi, New from Toronto. Just brought used speaker CLX-Art, now hooked up with Jadis JC-80MC tube pre, Jeff Rowland 8 transistor amp. After familiar with CLX sound, next plan will add a sub. Some saying ML good with all tube sound? If it is true, next next step will change tube amp too. Hope will learn from you all! Herman

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    Herman, welcome, congrats on the new acquisition !
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    From another Canuck, welcome aboard. Your list of equipment is impressive. Your music just got elevated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermanY View Post
    Hi, New from Toronto. Just brought used speaker CLX-Art, now hooked up with Jadis JC-80MC tube pre, Jeff Rowland 8 transistor amp. After familiar with CLX sound, next plan will add a sub. Some saying ML good with all tube sound? If it is true, next next step will change tube amp too. Hope will learn from you all! Herman
    Herman so what wood type did you get? Also just curious what speakers you had before and why you choose the CLX? Beyond that I have a few suggestions:
    1. You will definitely need subs and the ML ones are very good with their custom crossovers and PBK kits to optimize.
    2. Spend sometime on grounding your system even a simple earth ground will have noticeable effect on the darkness of the background.
    3. Room Treatments have a tremendous impact of overall sound quality
    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC/ 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: Pwr O2 & IC's/ V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: Summit X's /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by GW1800 View Post
    Herman so what wood type did you get? Also just curious what speakers you had before and why you choose the CLX? Beyond that I have a few suggestions:
    1. You will definitely need subs and the ML ones are very good with their custom crossovers and PBK kits to optimize.
    2. Spend sometime on grounding your system even a simple earth ground will have noticeable effect on the darkness of the background.
    3. Room Treatments have a tremendous impact of overall sound quality
    Hi GW1800 Mine is Dark Cherry wood. Previous I used Verity Audio Parsifal Encore speakers. Thanks for your suggestions, by the way, regarding your suggestion "grounding system", is it means just the pre amp + amp? Or including speaker? If including speaker, how the speaker be ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermanY View Post
    Hi GW1800 Mine is Dark Cherry wood. Previous I used Verity Audio Parsifal Encore speakers. Thanks for your suggestions, by the way, regarding your suggestion "grounding system", is it means just the pre amp + amp? Or including speaker? If including speaker, how the speaker be ground?
    Herman - There are a few ways that I'm familiar with. First off there is a link within ML https://www.martinlogan.com/learn/fa...me-theater.php that I found quite helpful when wiring my room for audio.

    If you have a distribution block for your power in my case the Nordost QB8 http://nordost.com/qrt/qbase-ac-distribution.php there is a ground lug as part of this unit. There are many other brands that have a similar ground lug on their distribution block also. Initially I just connected a earth wire ground to that lug with good results. Later I purchased a Entreq Silver Tellus http://www.entreq.com/products/ground-boxes-17667704 and also connected that to that same lug (but still keep the ground wire also connected) with better results. I then later added a Everest to the one terminal that also improved the result.

    My most recent try to improve the result even further is I experimented with multiple boxes of Entreq Olympus Minus one to each mono amp and then used the unused terminals on the ST to my DAC and Aurender. But also at that time Nordost came out with their QKore product so I also experimented with that to compare. Ultimately ended up with the QKore 6 so I now have the QB8, each mono amp, DAC, Music server and my router all have a grounding wire plus I did keep the earth ground connected to the QB8, The final tweak was to place 3 TC Sort Kones under the QKore 6 that also improved the effect. The results are definitely better by far then my past setup. Compared to the multiple boxes of Entreq I did like the Nordost setup better but they were both actually quite good. For once Nordost was actually less expensive since the multiple boxes of Entreq and their special cables can get quite pricey but also just the physical space needed was more then I could handle. Just a note one thing you can do with Entreq and not Nordost is ground the speakers. I did not go to that extent but you would need two individual boxes and would connect each to the negative terminal of each speaker. Nordost is quite good to loan out equipment to try I would certainly do that and see for yourself. Grounding is actually not all that expensive relatively speaking compared to other upgrades. However you will find once completed as if you just did a major component or cable upgrade.

    You will find with grounding a much much darker background, better separation of instruments and tighter bass. You may think you have that all now but actually you have only got part of all that until proper grounding is applied. Many will roll their eyes as this gets similar responses as cables but for those that actually try and listen (Vs complain that it makes no sense to possibly work yet never try) it actually does. The very simplest and least costly is the earth ground once you hear what that can do you will be a believer and want more.

    Beyond that you will really like the CLX speakers particularly with subs. Interested in hearing your comments. Also are you going to post any pictures?

    Just an added note. I have a Silver Tellus minimus in my media room. I did not want to put another earth ground in nor did I want to share this room with the music room earth ground. So I went with the STM and an Everest connected direct to my processor - in my case the Anthem AVM60. Before I did if I turned up the volume with no signal there was a definite buzz after connected dead silence. Takes up little space but it was so effective.
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    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC/ 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: Pwr O2 & IC's/ V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: Summit X's /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by GW1800 View Post
    Herman - There are a few ways that I'm familiar with. First off there is a link within ML https://www.martinlogan.com/learn/fa...me-theater.php that I found quite helpful when wiring my room for audio.

    If you have a distribution block for your power in my case the Nordost QB8 http://nordost.com/qrt/qbase-ac-distribution.php there is a ground lug as part of this unit. There are many other brands that have a similar ground lug on their distribution block also. Initially I just connected a earth wire ground to that lug with good results. Later I purchased a Entreq Silver Tellus http://www.entreq.com/products/ground-boxes-17667704 and also connected that to that same lug (but still keep the ground wire also connected) with better results. I then later added a Everest to the one terminal that also improved the result.

    My most recent try to improve the result even further is I experimented with multiple boxes of Entreq Olympus Minus one to each mono amp and then used the unused terminals on the ST to my DAC and Aurender. But also at that time Nordost came out with their QKore product so I also experimented with that to compare. Ultimately ended up with the QKore 6 so I now have the QB8, each mono amp, DAC, Music server and my router all have a grounding wire plus I did keep the earth ground connected to the QB8, The final tweak was to place 3 TC Sort Kones under the QKore 6 that also improved the effect. The results are definitely better by far then my past setup. Compared to the multiple boxes of Entreq I did like the Nordost setup better but they were both actually quite good. For once Nordost was actually less expensive since the multiple boxes of Entreq and their special cables can get quite pricey but also just the physical space needed was more then I could handle. Just a note one thing you can do with Entreq and not Nordost is ground the speakers. I did not go to that extent but you would need two individual boxes and would connect each to the negative terminal of each speaker. Nordost is quite good to loan out equipment to try I would certainly do that and see for yourself. Grounding is actually not all that expensive relatively speaking compared to other upgrades. However you will find once completed as if you just did a major component or cable upgrade.

    You will find with grounding a much much darker background, better separation of instruments and tighter bass. You may think you have that all now but actually you have only got part of all that until proper grounding is applied. Many will roll their eyes as this gets similar responses as cables but for those that actually try and listen (Vs complain that it makes no sense to possibly work yet never try) it actually does. The very simplest and least costly is the earth ground once you hear what that can do you will be a believer and want more.

    Beyond that you will really like the CLX speakers particularly with subs. Interested in hearing your comments. Also are you going to post any pictures?

    Just an added note. I have a Silver Tellus minimus in my media room. I did not want to put another earth ground in nor did I want to share this room with the music room earth ground. So I went with the STM and an Everest connected direct to my processor - in my case the Anthem AVM60. Before I did if I turned up the volume with no signal there was a definite buzz after connected dead silence. Takes up little space but it was so effective.
    Hi GW1800 Very informative information plus your own valuable experienced, very helpful indeed. Previous I used Power Plant Re-generator, it help to lower background to some extend, since it was broken, not to bother to replace another one, grounding may be my next route to go. Right now still in a speaker placing stage, after settled down, will post pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermanY View Post
    Hi GW1800 Very informative information plus your own valuable experienced, very helpful indeed. Previous I used Power Plant Re-generator, it help to lower background to some extend, since it was broken, not to bother to replace another one, grounding may be my next route to go. Right now still in a speaker placing stage, after settled down, will post pictures.
    Herman

    Hoped it helped. It took sometime to get to my conclusions but now that I’m listening to them it’s rewarding. I applaud you to get the right placement of the CLX and do take your time as a small tweak physically will reward you greatly. However I can’t stress enough that you need subs. I know one of the TAS reviewers listens without subs but can’t imagine how that is ideal.
    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC/ 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: Pwr O2 & IC's/ V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: Summit X's /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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