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    I totally understand Mark.

    In my mind, the media is very responsible for all the hype and exposure given to Trump. I think one would call it "enabling".

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    PS: DT plays this game quite well and has been well rewarded with massive amounts of free advertising and exposure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    Who cares if a President ****es off our largest trading partner and one of the few militaries in the world that could actually defeat us in a war? Really?
    Rich, I could be wrong but I doubt very much if China is our number one trading partner, we easily trade within our own continent far more than China, all I recall for years Canada has been number one.

    As far as 'war' if the Chinese scare you than blame Obama, he's been in charge the past eight years. Besides they have a massive army but Navy that doesn't hold a candle to ours. As for N Korea, they are a rouge Nation ruled by a fat little 'Chia Pet' !
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    Quote Originally Posted by twich54 View Post
    .... As for N Korea, they are a rouge Nation ruled by a fat little 'Chia Pet' !
    Now that's funny, right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    I have been busy watching "Obama's World" for the past 8 years. I wouldn't recommend it though. The series starts out way too slow. The middle is all over the place, hard to follow, and leaves you wondering who the hell the producers are and what the heck they been smoking. Now towards the end of the series, things are fizzling out. I mean how many times can you keep getting various characters into scandals, lies and various foreign policy blunders? Writers block has to kick in at sometime. Doesn't it?
    Compared to...the last republican administration? Let's see...Started out with The Supremes installing G. Bush by disallowing an accurate vote count in Florida, in one of the most bizarre ruling ever, pretty much ending any respect for the Court. Followed by a VERY unpopular start, with his ratings pretty much in the toilet, followed by 9/11. Then...WMD ("Slam Dunk"), so war with the folks that attacked us? NO! War with Iraq -- What a smart move THAT was...Oh my.

    Then he decides to flex his muscles and privatize Social Security...Uh, How'd that one work out for ya, Shrub?

    Of course, the capstone for his brilliant administration was helping his super-rich oil buddies and running the economy into the ground, giving us the financial collapse and The Great Recession.

    Point is -- I find it difficult to accept anyone running around willy-nilly continually slamming President Obama when the oh so pure republicans have proven to be so much worse for our Country. Especially given the TOTAL opposition of the tea party and Mitch McConnell determined to oppose EVERYTHING the Obama administration proposed -- even ideas previously advanced by republicans. What a bunch of hypocrites!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twich54 View Post
    Rich, I could be wrong but I doubt very much if China is our number one trading partner, we easily trade within our own continent far more than China, all I recall for years Canada has been number one.
    I stand corrected, Dave. You are right. Canada is the largest, representing 15.2% of our total trade. But China is not far behind at #2 and 14.9%. So I think my point still stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by twich54 View Post
    As far as 'war' if the Chinese scare you than blame Obama, he's been in charge the past eight years. Besides they have a massive army but Navy that doesn't hold a candle to ours. As for N Korea, they are a rouge Nation ruled by a fat little 'Chia Pet' !
    You are joking, right? The Chinese are second to us in military spending, and are considered the third most powerful military behind us and Russia. It wouldn't matter if Patton had been president for the last eight years. This is still a war no sane person would want to take on. Heck, Bush had about all he could handle with Iraq and Afghanistan and those wars just about bankrupted us. We will be paying that debt for generations! A war with China would likely mean the end of the U.S. as we know it. Can't disagree with your assessment of N. Korea, though.
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    Hi Dave,

    Also take exception to your second quote highlighted by Rich.

    Obama was elected when this country was sick of war and that sentiment really hasn't changed much.

    If you go the Obama route, one does risk the potential of the USA appearing to be weak in the foreign arena. I'd counter with what he has done recently in regards to ISIS, which appears to me and others to be the top threat to worldwide security.

    Any reasonable person should agree that the drone program and his aggressive policy have been hugely successful in taking out the top ISIS operatives. And I just read that we took out the top AlQada leader.

    Later Amigo.
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    Gents, my reply was to insert my belief that China is not a threat from the standpoint that such a conflict would not end well for either side or for that matter all of humanity ......... not sure there's much of it left around anymore though .................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Len44 View Post
    ARen't you all glad I'm back?
    LOL Len, seriously though ................have you ever posted anything 'audio related' ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    This is still a war no sane person would want to take on.
    no argument there Rich

    We will be paying that debt for generations! .
    speaking of which................how has the Obama admin done with the Nat'l debt as of late ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post


    You are joking, right? The Chinese are second to us in military spending, and are considered the third most powerful military behind us and Russia. It wouldn't matter if Patton had been president for the last eight years. This is still a war no sane person would want to take on. Heck, Bush had about all he could handle with Iraq and Afghanistan and those wars just about bankrupted us. We will be paying that debt for generations! A war with China would likely mean the end of the U.S. as we know it. Can't disagree with your assessment of N. Korea, though.
    For once, I agree with you 100% Rich.

    Besides military, in raw people-power alone, China have more than 5X!! the population of the US.

    Not to mention, China and Russia would be more likely to form a coalition.

    The world is far too war-happy as it is. It's got to stop.
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    I'd like to thank our members from overseas that have posted on this subject!! Thank You! It's important to hear from you.

    Rich, I assume you were speaking of China as the military that could defeat us? Sorry, I disagree, maybe with man power but, we are so far more advanced than them, they don't scare me and they don't scare Trump. Clinton has been kissing their a$$'s for years, she really, really scares me!

    North Korea is a joke! But, a very scary joke, they need to be dealt with sooner than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuwee View Post

    Rich, I assume you were speaking of China as the military that could defeat us? Sorry, I disagree, maybe with man power but, we are so far more advanced than them, they don't scare me and they don't scare Trump. Clinton has been kissing their a$$'s for years, she really, really scares me!

    North Korea is a joke! But, a very scary joke, they need to be dealt with sooner than later.
    So China, with 5x your population (1.3 billion versus 305 million) doesn't scare you. Even though they are the developer and manufacturer of a good chunk of your military's assets?

    But North Korea does? And needs to be dealt with?

    I'd really like to understand your mindset there. No honestly, that's just crazy.

    North Korea (with all the sanctions) and access to zero technology; and only 20 million people scares you.

    But China doesn't - with all that population, manufacturing capacity, industrial capacity that any other country could only dream of, and technology any other country could only ever dream of? How is that?

    I agree with some of the things you've said in this/these threads, for sure. But with this I'm struggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twich54 View Post
    LOL speaking of which................how has the Obama admin done with the Nat'l debt as of late ?
    Glad you asked, Dave. It's one of the few statistics where Obama's numbers are poor. Although I'm sure you understand that Congress passes the budget. The president can only sign it or veto it. Here are Obama's stats, for those who are interested: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/04/oba...l-2016-update/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Gray View Post
    One of the news talking heads came up with a perfect comparison (I think) to describe the "mental" dynamic of those who would vote for H vs D.

    Rational vs emotional.

    PS: Or to state another way perhaps. Facts matter. Facts don't matter.
    I see that Trump protestors last night in Albuquerque stormed through police barriers, threw rocks at the police and vandalized cars and other property. I am sure they would vote for Hillary over Trump. Would this be an example of the rational mental dynamic the "talking head" was referencing?

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    Kevin,

    There are many causes for what's occurring with no shortage of who to point fingers at and / or assess blame. I trust you can understand the nuances.

    Best,

    Gordon

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