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    Cool News from Munich High-End, Two New Masterpiece Series Electrostatic Speakers

    Hello all-

    I want to share some news form the Munich High-End show. MartinLogan just announced two new models in the Masterpiece Series. No pictures yet. I hope to have these soon.

    http://www.martinlogan.com/news/pr/2...erpiece-series

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    Yes!!! I was hoping there would be a scaled down version of the Renaissance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepysurf View Post
    Yes!!! I was hoping there would be a scaled down version of the Renaissance!
    15A = $25K
    13A = $15K
    11A = $10K

    If they just named them the 25A, 15A and 10A it would make much more sense
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    The numbers in the name reference the width of the ESL panels. The "A" designates the woofers are amplified.
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    Interesting. I would have to guess that they will be discontinuing the Summit X when they start selling these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinZ View Post
    The numbers in the name reference the width of the ESL panels. The "A" designates the woofers are amplified.
    Sorry I was being sarcastic, but thank you for the explanation. That makes Perfect sense.

    15" wide Panel amplified
    13" wide Panel amplified
    11" wide Panel amplified

    Unfortunately 15A looks like 15 amps to me and at first glance I assumed it would be maximum current drawn by the internal amplifier, however 1800W for a class D amp would be quite a bit

    Are they all going to be the same height ?

    Thanks again!

    From a marketing perspective that makes for excellent product differentiation as they will look different side by side and size matters.

    Also with their new "blade" diaphragm support they needed to widen them just to make them not appear diminutive compared with the previous lineup.
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    Great news Devin ! looking forward to seeing the pics when they are available !
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCHeliGuy View Post
    Are they all going to be the same height ?
    Panel height:
    Renaissance ESL 15A: 46-inches
    Expression ESL 13A: 44-inches
    Impression ESL 11A: 44-inches

    Speaker height:
    Renaissance ESL 15A: 69.8-inches
    Expression ESL 13A: 61.5-inches
    Impression ESL 11A: 60.75 inches
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinZ View Post
    Panel height:
    Renaissance ESL 15A: 46-inches
    Expression ESL 13A: 44-inches
    Impression ESL 11A: 44-inches

    Speaker height:
    Renaissance ESL 15A: 69.8-inches
    Expression ESL 13A: 61.5-inches
    Impression ESL 11A: 60.75 inches
    People should like that.

    The 11A at a Montis price point would have a similar width panel,be a bit taller and I "assume" with better bass response. 275W vs. 200W class D amp and new DSP controls
    The 13A at a Summit X price point would have a 2" wider panel, be a bit taller and I "assume" have better bass response 300W vs. 200W class D amp and new DSP controls

    What's interesting is that the Summit X bottom end is currently at 24Hz and the 15A is 22Hz, so the 13A would need to be between 22-24Hz to be a "spec" improvement, but obviously the DSP processing for the room could make a noticeable improvement that doesn't show well on a simple +/- frequency curve.

    Always fun to watch new product announcements
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    I presume dual 10" woofers for Expression and ? single 10" woofer for Impression.
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    A picture from Munchen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amey01 View Post
    A picture from Munchen.
    Looks like even the Impression is getting a rear firing woofer or at least a rear firing radiator.

    I bet they sound great, but that boxy look still isn't growing on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCHeliGuy View Post
    15A = $25K
    13A = $15K
    11A = $10K

    If they just named them the 25A, 15A and 10A it would make much more sense

    Your sarcasm did not go unappreciated Mark. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCHeliGuy View Post
    I bet they sound great, but that boxy look still isn't growing on me.
    I like the rectangular look on the wide speaker (Renaissance) as compared to the angular box on my Summits. But on these, the boxes look too long and narrow to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I like the rectangular look on the wide speaker (Renaissance) as compared to the angular box on my Summits. But on these, the boxes look too long and narrow to me.
    I think they will have more trouble getting past the WAF. The Montis and Summit X looked sexier in comparison. I have no doubt that they are shaped the way they are for good reason. It is unfortunate that appearance is such an important part of most speaker purchases. As it is I'd be happier and so would my wife if my speakers were invisible. I'd never get these past my wife at least in our current home.
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