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    Quote Originally Posted by GW1800 View Post
    I see there are a lot of lookers but not too many comments?????
    well since you asked ........ can you get those beautiful CLX's out into the room more ? Having 'stuff' between and in front of ones speakers is never a good idea.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by twich54 View Post
    well since you asked ........ can you get those beautiful CLX's out into the room more ? Having 'stuff' between and in front of ones speakers is never a good idea.
    Thanks for the obvious if I could I would of long time ago.
    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC / 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: O2 Loom / V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: 13A's Balsalt Blk /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by stereoman View Post
    Hi Michael:
    I've read a few posting from members recommending absorbing panels behind ML speakers. I see that you're also doing this. I've placed my old Echo Buster absorbing panels on a stool behind my Summit speakers and found that the midrange is more detailed and focused. Your endorsement of the Entreq is timely as my audio dealer is bringing them in and I plan to try them in my system. The photo below shows the panel and a brass weight sitting on top of the speaker panel. I have plans to purchase additional brass weights to sit on top of the woofer base.
    Yes I did the same thing to test with an absorbing panel only and noticed the same thing - Shawn had one laying around for me to use for testing. However the RPG BAD ARC which both absorbs and diffuses that I ended up with I felt did a much better job. With my limited distance that I could get away from the wall this was a real good solution for me situation.

    Concerning the Entreq box Shawn has commented many times in his visits to my home just how dark my background is. He called it the best he ever heard. I'm a real fan of these boxes. At the time the Silver Tellus was the best they had however I just added the Everest option and am very pleased. Now they have a Olympus box that supposed to be even better which I'm sure is right but can't really comprehend how it would improve on what I have however I do believe PO when he says the new one is even better. To me grounding is one of the obvious things that are very frequently overlooked. If you missed it earlier here is a good read on the subject. http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/entreq.htm
    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC / 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: O2 Loom / V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: 13A's Balsalt Blk /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    Hi Mike,

    I missed you posting your system or I would have commented earlier.

    It looks like you have move the speakers a bit and lowered the rack between. Is this correct or am I not remembering the setup correctly?

    I'm sure the RPG panels made a noticeable improvement.

    Glad to hear your happy with the improvments to both systems.


    Unrelated, I was able to travel to Mikes home last June after being in Michigan from Florida for a family wedding. My wife agreed to take a side trip through Wisconsin and Mike was gracious enough to let Shawn from DaVinci bring me there to hear his CLX's for a final time before purchasing a pair or giving up on them. I had heard them twice before with other equipment that didn't move me enough to want to get rid of my CLS's.
    Mikes system sealed the deal within a few minutes.
    Thanks again Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad225 View Post
    Hi Mike,

    I missed you posting your system or I would have commented earlier.

    It looks like you have move the speakers a bit and lowered the rack between. Is this correct or am I not remembering the setup correctly?

    I'm sure the RPG panels made a noticeable improvement.

    Glad to hear your happy with the improvments to both systems.


    Unrelated, I was able to travel to Mikes home last June after being in Michigan from Florida for a family wedding. My wife agreed to take a side trip through Wisconsin and Mike was gracious enough to let Shawn from DaVinci bring me there to hear his CLX's for a final time before purchasing a pair or giving up on them. I had heard them twice before with other equipment that didn't move me enough to want to get rid of my CLS's.
    Mikes system sealed the deal within a few minutes.
    Thanks again Mike.
    Brad glad you saw my post of my main system also I have #503 on the media room you may want to check it out.

    Thanks for the kind words on my system and glad to have you stop by. As you know I'm in a rather remote location with audiophiles few and far between. Company is always welcome and if ever in the area again glad to see you again. All of your test tracks I listen to frequently the bad news is the Super double bass album can no longer be streamed. I normally don't like organ or classical but I really miss hearing that one.

    Yes system changes are new Bricasti M28's (they match up with the M1 so nice)that mainly bring all that the Parasound JC's did but much more 3D depth and wider sound stage. As you pointed out I reduced the rack by about 15" and moved the CLX's out and very slightly rotated them toward the listening position. Both I'm convinced had a positive effect sonically. Additionally upgraded the power to the CLX's and subs also installed several Nordost Sort lifts with also some very good results.

    Because of my knee replacement 3weeks ago. I moved behind the listening position the red listening sofa and ottomans and just put the green chair in the listening position along. I always liked the ottomans for convenience but Shawn always said they needed to go. I then did a recalibrate of the two subs and the bass is so good now it's the best I have had in this room. This leaves me with a delima of what to do as my wife and I do like to listen together at times.

    Now just waiting for Bricasti to update for MQA. Actually Shawn was here this past Thursday to listen to all the updates and we did a compare of tracks that I had duplicates. They claim that even when not decoded the MQA version should sound better and they all did. Some more then others but all better. Shawn has a Cary DAC that can decode and he is a firm believer of the new format.

    Last time we talked you did not have many hours on your new speakers I assume you do by now. What comments do you have now that you have had them for awhile?
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    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC / 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: O2 Loom / V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: 13A's Balsalt Blk /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    Great looking system!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiTT View Post
    Great looking system!
    Thanks for the nice comment
    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC / 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: O2 Loom / V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: 13A's Balsalt Blk /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    So for the past week and a half I have been working with more Entreq boxes as demo's. I added two Sliver Tellus Minimus once each to the negative to the amp speaker terminal and then attached RCA to the N10 and M1 to my Silver Tellus that already had the Nordost QB8 ground lug attached too. I really liked what it did. My system was already real dark so no real change there but the attack of the notes was improved and the presence of more air around the whole sound was noticeable. The thing that made the testing hard is Entreq takes about a day to settle in and about the same time once disconnected. So AB is real hard and time consuming. Also obviously the placement of the Entreq boxes is only temporary as the cables I would of needed needed to be much longer.

    Next up is the new Nordost QKore that was announced at Munich 2017. I hopefully should have a demo set here later this week to test out. Looking forward to seeing what it does. One nice thing is that its active right away there is no delay according to the manufactuer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stereoman View Post
    Hi Michael:
    I've read a few posting from members recommending absorbing panels behind ML speakers. I see that you're also doing this. I've placed my old Echo Buster absorbing panels on a stool behind my Summit speakers and found that the midrange is more detailed and focused. Your endorsement of the Entreq is timely as my audio dealer is bringing them in and I plan to try them in my system. The photo below shows the panel and a brass weight sitting on top of the speaker panel. I have plans to purchase additional brass weights to sit on top of the woofer base.
    Sorry for the late reply but I see that you are trying some of the identical tweaks that I have been playing with recently and in the past.
    1. Weight on your speaker. I indeed do know that adding some weight to the speaker does definitely help the sound that comes from the speakers. The soundstage becomes more stable and I think in my case the bass is tighter. Im a little concerned about the weight you have on the panel falling on someone. You mention that you were going to get more and place them on the enclosure. Did you do that and what was the effect? I have added a 30# weight to my CLX see picture - for quite some time.
    2. Grounding I added some info on my original post dated 6-7 that started this thread discussing grounding. I have had a Entreq box for years and liked it very much but have recently replaced it with the new Nordost QKore 6 box. I find it more effective and once hooked up the effect is instant unlike the Entreq box.
    3. Panels - I have recently been working on this also. Originally I did some behind the speakers and first reflection. These made a world of difference. Recently I got some loaner panels and was testing rear wall. I found that particularly for bass reflections it helped a ton. I currently in the process of adding them permanently.


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    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC / 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: O2 Loom / V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: 13A's Balsalt Blk /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    How do you like your LG OLED?

    Seriously considering buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Gray View Post
    How do you like your LG OLED?

    Seriously considering buying one.

    Gordon
    Gordon - I like it a lot! I had a Pioneer Elite plasma 60" previously and I waited all through the LED different versions for a true OLED panel. A couple of times I got tired of waiting and almost got something else but now glad I waited it out for the real thing. I would of preferred a Pioneer but that is only available in Europe last I looked and at twice the price. Never have been a LG fan more Samsung or Pioneer but really like this one. I actually had it calibrated by BB but found I like the standard settings better. Mine is in a basement so bright light is not an issue not saying its a problem just letting you know in a dark room it has a spooky real picture. I got mine in Aug. of last year when the price changed to $3,500 down from 4k at Xmas. I have not looked lately but probably even less now.
    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC / 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: O2 Loom / V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: 13A's Balsalt Blk /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    How's the LG picture quality compared to your Pioneer Elite plasma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Gray View Post
    How's the LG picture quality compared to your Pioneer Elite plasma?
    Gordon. Well one thing I really liked about the Kuro was the deep blacks however as good as they were the LG takes blacks to a whole new level. Color wise is better but the Pioneer was pretty good. Also the picture was also very clear but the upscale of the LG to 4K is quite good. Also check with Shawn last I heard he had a couple to sell that he had in stock. The gat was a few weeks ago so not sure if he still has any left.
    Music Rm #503: CLX Art DC / 2-212's / Bricasti M12/28's / Aurender N10 / Nordost: O2 Loom / V2 Pwr Spk & Subs, QX4, QV2, QK1, QB8, Sort Fut, Lift & TC Kones, QKore 6, Earth Grd, Acoustical Panels Media Rm #504: 13A's Balsalt Blk /Descent i's / Vanquish / Focus / Parasound 3-A23 & 31 / 65" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM60 / Nordost V2/T2/H2 Pwr & IC, H2 HDMI & Net, QK1, QV2, QB8 & QX2 / Entreq SM / SBooster / Sony 4K Blu-ray

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    Love the way you have it all set up Michael. So nice. Clean and simple but truly elegant. Very nice. Absolutely state of the art system. Truly can't imagine any thing you could add to improve it. I know you are doing some acoustic treatment. But the components, speakers, subs, connections. All first rate.

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    Hey Everyone. Wanted to make a new post regarding this System. By joining this forum and corresponding with other Martin Logan owners has been truly a revelation for me and an eye opening one as well.

    Started to chat with GL1800 (Mike) here on the forum. He had some similar components as mine as did his son. And he went through some gear upgrades that pricked my interest.

    So, after a few phone calls to Mike-then he introduced me to Shawn (DaVinci Media-Forum sponsor) I booked a flight to Milwaukee to listen to the 15a’s AND Mike’s CLX Art speakers.

    I’ll try and keep the rhetoric to a minimum but will gladly say that I’ve never heard an audio system like Mikes. Its by far the best 2 channel i’ve heard in my 54 years of life

    Mike will be the first one to tell you this didn’t happen overnight and besides the expenses; it took some real planning on Mike’s part.

    What Mike has done with his room is beyond reproach. Some of us won’t be able to go to that level. Actually I won’t be able to BUT what I learned is that even some ‘small’ tweaks can make significant sonic improvements. Its like this: 15/20% here…and there & you have made upticks in the entire Audio chain. Those tweaks are indeed audible.

    The CLX Art speakers are AMAZING. I flew up from North Louisiana to hear these. They just don’t get the love they deserve being an older entry in the lineup. AND , they really do require a sub or 2. No way around that. So that adds to the cost BUT gosh, the result-paired with the right power and front end will produce YOU ARE THERE IN THE STUDIO EXPERIENCE.

    Mike has dual 212 ML subs. To be blunt, he has the best bass I’ve EVER heard. Ever. I am a bass freak. But hate bloated bass. Mike has his subs dialed in so good its scary. I knew the subs were highly rated but was not sure. Wow. Nothing like bad bass to take away from the sound. Of course Mike worked hard on placement and the wonderful ML Arc Software. Its perfect. If Martin Logan were smart, they would send potential customers to hear Mike’s setup to see what the payoff really is. Best bass and bess bass integration I’ve ever heard. I have a pretty rich audio background as well but I was blown away.

    We each shared a playlist and those songs I am very familiar with. I’ve never heard them like this. Let me say this. My gear is no slouch. I own the 13a’s. Paired the McIntosh MC601 mono amps; the McIntosh combo C1100 tube and D1100 digital preamps. So yeah, pretty dang special.

    We listened to music all day. It was a joy & an eye and ear opening experience. Mike has acoustic panels and treatments to make his CLX and other gear truly shine. In football terms, Its like he gave his QB, the best Offensive linemen and receivers he could. That makes the QB better. Same with his room. The detailed thought process of the acoustic treatments and placement was something I’ve just read about but never really experienced. I can say IT WORKS.

    Mike has the awesome Bricasti M28 amps & the wonderful Bricasti M12. The Aurender N10 AND a special hard drive to the M12. Not sure exactly the way it works but dang it was GREAT. I arrived being super negative of online streaming. Thinking there’s no way that can sound good. Bigtime doubter. But I can tell you that Tidal Masters were every bit as good as playing the same track on the Aurender N10 drive. There are so many albums to choose from on Tidal and it gives you the choices to select the best master. But I would have never imagined that Tidal could be so convincing and crisp. And lets face it, Martin Logans are SO revealing and not kind to music that is recorded bad. They take no prisoners. But besides Mikes bass, Tidal and its integration with the Bricasti and the Aurender was truly special. It was so good that on my flight home I was re-thinking if I wanted to keep my vinyl.


    I know I am going to leave something out. Yeah Mike has a lot of $$ invested but the good thing is one doesn’t have to go the level of that to achieve better sound. Mike will tell you that each and every level of tweaks has brought the sound to a better level. Even the most affordable tweak will make the overall team play better. Mike upgraded his power cables and the grounding…the noise floor was non-existent. I mean DEAD quiet.

    So I had lots of takeaways from my trip. One can just buy nice gear like we all have and plug and play…but you’re not getting anywhere near what the system can achieve. I left with motivation to build up my gear in ways that I kept putting off. Well I admit the first thing I am doing is buying a pair of CLX Art speakers from Shawn -DaVinci Media! I love my 13’s but the CLX transported me to another audio plane. Then will add the subs.

    Let me say something else. Both Mike and Shawn were some of the nicest people I’ve ever met. Seriously, we really connected and I spent a couple of days there. In a way, Mike & Shawn felt like family. I really mean that. I was treated pretty special and it was genuine. We even stayed late one night and watched the 4K version of John Wick 2 on Mikes LG and ML atmos setup! Thats a post for another day. His son joined us and got some wonderful pizza. BTW, Mike’s Scotch put hair on me in places I didn’t have any! Wow.

    Seriously, if you are in the market for Martin Logan and really, any gear. You owe it to yourself to talk to Shawn. He is super honest…he’ll even talk you out of buying! But he is honest; super nice and maybe most important, he knows what he is doing. How many of us have had salesman who really didn’t know the product. Shawn knows it. Knows the potentials..and knows the weaknesses. I wish I would have met Shawn and Mike earlier….We all want a good deal and try to get the best price we can. But I will tell you from experience, truly getting sound advice and proper setup can be a challenge. But from guys like Shawn and Mike who have both owned Martin Logans; and who have spent years learning from this hobby is worth SO MUCH. The way I look it is why not learn from those who really know how to integrate these speakers. My short time with Shawn and Mike helped me in ways I never expected.

    This system left an impression on me that I will not forget. And has motivated me to try my best to get the sound that Mike has worked so hard to achieve.

    Well done Mike. Well done Shawn.

    See you guys soon.
    Tim
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